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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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When businesses become so large, they no longer are a $countryOfOrigin company (A US company in the case of Apple). They become multinational entities that have no loyalty to a nation, just loyalty to pocket books.

That is an excellent point and one I have tried bringing up before. Allowing corporations and individuals to obtain such massive amounts of wealth is a national security threat.

Arthur Jensen, 1976, would like a word: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35DSdw7dHjs

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I suspect strongly you'll find that's not the case. Merger then has a more "1812" feeling to it. Ironically, the hardest challenge for the British during the war was to keep their soldiers from deserting to the US. Since there was no way a young British male could legally come to America from the UK, joining the army then crossing into America was their only hope. Ironically today, the countries named by the GP (Au…

> ... but it seems to make sense for a lot of their highly educated citizens who decided to make it happen here in America! That's not the same thing as wanting to abandon independence. Folks go to work in other countries not because they want their home country to be America. Those smart highly-educated workers aren't moving to America so much as the Bay Area to work at tech companies and make money - based on my pe…

It's interesting that the narrative is that when people move to Canada, it's because they have a deep desire of becoming Canadian, and according to the current administration deserve it even more than the folks who built the country [0], but when it's people coming to the US it's simply for higher pay and not because they want to make America their home.

Meanwhile, there are now universities where 85% of the graduating class immediately moves to the US upon graduation [1]. And the numbers have actually increased during the Trump administration, despite the narrative that the US would stop attracting international talent.

[0] https://globalnews.ca/news/3567893/justin-trudeau-jealous-im...

[1] https://twitter.com/danluu/status/1351785083598893062

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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"Apple has, and will, fold to government pressure faster than a lawn chair." As a publicly-traded, trillion dollar company, where profits are at stake, this would seem to make sense. What does not seem to make sense is why anyone would believe Apple might ignore its own financial interests and those of its shareholders and deliberately sacrifice a major opportunity^1 in order to resist government pressure based on so…

Apple shouldn't have to. There should be laws that US companies can only cowtoe to the US government WRT free speech. In this case - it appears to only be happening in China - which I guess is fair game. But the line should be drawn at China being able to use its market to force US companies to censor people outside of China.

Kowtow, which is borrowed from kau tau in Cantonese, is the act of deep respect shown by prostration, that is, kneeling and bowing so low as to have one's head touching the ground. In Sinospheric culture, the kowtow is the highest sign of reverence. -wiki

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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the top comments talking about maps, it's absolutely insane 'The agreement included a pledge from Apple to help Chinese manufacturers develop "the most advanced manufacturing technologies," "support the training of high-quality Chinese talents," use more components from Chinese suppliers, sign deals with Chinese software firms, collaborate with research in Chinese universities, and directly invest in Chinese tech com…

> It's one thing to make these deals with a foreign hostile country - it's another to ask yourself: When's the last CEO I heard making these same promises to America? Or to any friendly country for that matter?

Thank you for saying this. I don't live in the US, but yes it's shocking.

My (unpopular) view is that we humans have the ability to focus only on a limited set of issues simultaneously, and we should pick the important ones first. It is appalling that news about secretive 200+ billion deals with Xi's CCP (the greatest threat to freedom since the Brezhnev era) has to compete for attention.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Apple’s approach to China remains the most disappointing (and hypocritical) thing about the company. When privacy really matters for the users that need it most, Apple sells them out for continued access to the Chinese market. https://stratechery.com/2021/the-information-on-apple-in-chi...

So much for throwing a sledgehammer at Big Brother. [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtvjbmoDx-I ]

I have to throw a sledgehammer at the 'T' key on my 2018 Macbook Pro for it to work because of this forsaken butterfly keyboard.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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1. was done in secret 2. traded seemingly unrelated investments aka you can build your computers if you invest in our SAAS 3. technology transfer may be a violation of us export controls Its really not obvious if the Chinese win because it's an extremely opaque way to choose winners and losers.

> 1. was done in secret Was it? Reading the article, the only 'secret' component was the lobbying, which is obviously done behind closed doors. Everything else is public commitments and public statements - which makes sense, since they were trying to pour oil on troubled chinese waters. FWIW, western media often suggests stuff is 'secret' in china, because they can't read chinese, and all those orientals are awfully…

It's effectively illegal* in china to write unapproved stories about any government official or department or policy. I think that's what people mean when they say government dealings are 'secret'.

* i.e. to be a journalist you have to go through intense ideological screening; extreme prohibitions on foreign journalists operating in china; complete prior restraint on ALL media (and all education, all printing presses, communication technology, etc.)

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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the top comments talking about maps, it's absolutely insane 'The agreement included a pledge from Apple to help Chinese manufacturers develop "the most advanced manufacturing technologies," "support the training of high-quality Chinese talents," use more components from Chinese suppliers, sign deals with Chinese software firms, collaborate with research in Chinese universities, and directly invest in Chinese tech com…

Honestly, I'm not trying to sound like I'm speaking in bad faith or provokingly, but why did you ever expect the top executives of a multi-million (or in this case, trillion) dollar corporation to care about anything but profits and their own well-being? It's just like Zuckerberg said, "Company over country".

I like to imagine those corporations as a machine with irs unique objective being profit. Every single thing that comes out of their mouths and every single action they perform is done with the expectation that it will sooner or later result in more profit. In this case, the equation came out as "the profit that Apple will earn as a result of this deal will compensate any loss of revenue that could be ever generated because of the public's reaction to it". And that's how it always works, period.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. was done in secret 2. traded seemingly unrelated investments aka you can build your computers if you invest in our SAAS 3. technology transfer may be a violation of us export controls Its really not obvious if the Chinese win because it's an extremely opaque way to choose winners and losers.

> 1. was done in secret Was it? Reading the article, the only 'secret' component was the lobbying, which is obviously done behind closed doors. Everything else is public commitments and public statements - which makes sense, since they were trying to pour oil on troubled chinese waters. FWIW, western media often suggests stuff is 'secret' in china, because they can't read chinese, and all those orientals are awfully…

> FWIW, western media often suggests stuff is 'secret' in china, because they can't read chinese, and all those orientals are awfully mysterious.

What English speaking media should one read to see this for themselves?

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Daring Fireball [1] has another passage from the article which is illuminating with regards to any promises Apple makes about how it will resist governmental pressure to compromise its products, vis-à-vis Apple's CSAM scanning tool. "Sometime in 2014 or early 2015, China’s State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping told members of the Apple Maps team to make the Diaoyu Islands, the objects of a long-running territorial di…

"Apple has, and will, fold to government pressure faster than a lawn chair." As a publicly-traded, trillion dollar company, where profits are at stake, this would seem to make sense. What does not seem to make sense is why anyone would believe Apple might ignore its own financial interests and those of its shareholders and deliberately sacrifice a major opportunity^1 in order to resist government pressure based on so…

If one made this assumption with respect to this example, then one would have made an incorrect assumption. No doubt we could make a long list of examples where this assumption would have been incorrect, but we would likely need better visibility into the decisions Apple is making behind-the-scenes. Apple is a very secretive company.
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