Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code • Hacker News Board

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by fdschoeneman » Tue, Nov 02, 2021, 5:17 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #73

havkd wrote: post #62

Antithetical to your values why, because it’s supposedly going to be a free speech website (I’ll believe it when I see it), as opposed to the tightly moderated fediverse instances? Or is it just the guy? Or something else? Anyway, it hasn’t launched yet, so why can’t this post wait until then?

> why can’t this post wait until then? The group announcing signing a merger agreement with a now-two-billion-dollar SPAC [1] is the likely spark. It's an announcement of a change in economic magnitude. That can make previously-ignorable mistakes meaningful to pursue. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/21/trump-linked-spac-shares-soa...

The licence says "over the network" but it hasn't launched. I realize some people have made test accounts, so I suppose there's an issue there if they've made issues of similar behavior before, but I don't see how the merger agreement is relevant to the license.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by fdschoeneman » Tue, Nov 02, 2021, 5:18 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #90

havkd wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand. But can this be fought in court as long as the website doesn’t even exist? There is no indication that the website will infringe on this licence yet… it hasn’t launched yet!

> can this be fought in court as long as the website doesn’t even exist? The website did exist. Users created accounts and demanded a copy of the source. They were refused, and so the license was infringed. Mastodon isn't threatening legal action. They're asking for that refusal to be reversed, thereby curing the infringement.

If mastodon is holding all mastodon instance operators to that standard you have a point. Are they?

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by fdschoeneman » Tue, Nov 02, 2021, 5:22 PM UTC

Smithalicious wrote: post #307

Okay, fair enough, I expected worse from the title. The "antithetical to our values" thing is silly political posturing, but the case itself seems like a pretty clear cut AGPL violation. Hope it gets worked out alright, and that across the aisle we can all agree to respect free software licenses.

I think this is about right, as long as mastodon is enforcing the requirement across all instances. I suspect that if it was enforcing this in other instances it would have said so.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by HKH2 » Tue, Nov 02, 2021, 5:27 PM UTC

parrellel wrote: post #377

HKH2 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a surprise that those people happen to be neocons. Somehow we're supposed to believe George W. Bush is a good guy after all.

George Bush still should be dragged to the Hague, this "The Election Was Stolen" idiocy is still dangerous. Both can be true.

A lot of things can be true, but if you only focus on the things which you consider expedient, your perspective will not be balanced, and you might turn GWB and his cronies into saints, as I have seen some do.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by fdschoeneman » Tue, Nov 02, 2021, 5:32 PM UTC

shp0ngle wrote: post #2

Is this actually true? The network was available just for a short time and now is not anymore.

Yeah I thought the same thing. Someone pointed out that even creating test accounts probably qualifies as "over the networks."

But it seems silly. And unless mastodon is enforcing this clause against every other instance operator, I'm guessing this is just posturing.

Having said that, I'd like them to continue posturing and getting their concept of federated social media more traction.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by refurb » Tue, Nov 02, 2021, 5:36 PM UTC

mijoharas wrote: post #466

refurb wrote: post #96

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[snark]Almost lost the Republic on Jan 6th to a whole lot of shoving.[/snark] But more seriously it looks like the government is having a hell of a time convicting anyone there of more than mischief and trespassing.

Five people died. I'm gonna go ahead and put that "shoving" into the not-cool category.

Two cops from unrelated medical conditions and three Trump supporters including one unarmed shot by a cop and one from a meth overdose.

Pretty crappy insurrection.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by thinkcontext » Tue, Nov 02, 2021, 5:44 PM UTC

HKH2 wrote: post #480

thinkcontext wrote: post #265

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I'm confused, what do GWB or neocons have to do with a willingness to lie about elections? Are you saying those two are bad because they aren't willing to lie about it?

My point is that he is purging neocons, and it seems you want to construe it as being all about election issues and that he was okay with them before that.

Your contention is that Trump is purging people like GA Gov Kemp because he is a neocon not because of his statements that the election was not stolen? That's a puzzling position given Trump's many, many statements mentioning Kemp and the election but none that I've seen mention neocon.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by mikem170 » Tue, Nov 02, 2021, 5:45 PM UTC

nuerow wrote: post #383

roenxi wrote: post #305

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Tolerance, right up to the limit where it actually starts hurting, is the best strategy for a peaceful and prosperous society. Trying to carve out little patches for your type of people and excluding that scary, evil other does not work. We're at Enlightenment+200 years here. I suppose shouldn't have to try make a defence of tolerating different opinions. If they want to license their software however then good luck…

> Tolerance, right up to the limit where it actually starts hurting, is the best strategy for a peaceful and prosperous society. It really is not. Unbounded tolerance is how free and open societies commit suicide and succumb to authoritarian regimes where intolerance is the norm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance > If they want to license their software however then good luck to them, but nonetheless…

> Unbounded tolerance is how free and open societies commit suicide and succumb to authoritarian regimes where intolerance is the norm.

Actually, I believe everything works out if everyone is intolerant of intolerance. That would include suicide bombers.

People need to stop imposing on others.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by emerged » Tue, Nov 02, 2021, 5:52 PM UTC

DeathMetal3000 wrote: post #454

randyrand wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what is T?

The former so called president of the US.

For any confused historians crawling the HN archives, just for the record Donald J Trump was the former actual president of the US.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by nuerow » Tue, Nov 02, 2021, 5:54 PM UTC

mikem170 wrote: post #488

nuerow wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tolerance, right up to the limit where it actually starts hurting, is the best strategy for a peaceful and prosperous society. It really is not. Unbounded tolerance is how free and open societies commit suicide and succumb to authoritarian regimes where intolerance is the norm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance > If they want to license their software however then good luck to them, but nonetheless…

> Unbounded tolerance is how free and open societies commit suicide and succumb to authoritarian regimes where intolerance is the norm. Actually, I believe everything works out if everyone is intolerant of intolerance. That would include suicide bombers. People need to stop imposing on others.

> People need to stop imposing on others.

What would you think would work if an authoritarian political movement plagued with xenophobia wants to use your work as a key tool to start imposing on tolerant people?