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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by deadpanPotato »

janfoeh wrote: post #223
jonpurdy wrote: post #100

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I recently cancelled Evernote after 12 years of paying for it due to their new Electron client. I've been using 1Password since 2008 and I'll be doing the same thing. I have tolerated the UI regressions and even subscription with version 7, but Electron is just unacceptable for what was once an amazing Mac app that put Apple's apps to shame.

Exactly the same here. I've had three software subscriptions until this year, mostly begrudgingly — CreativeCloud, Evernote and 1password. I got rid of two of them — Evernote for exactly the same reason. 1pwd going the Electron route would have put me close, but not over the edge — but the fact that they seem to have willy-nilly removed local vaults does. These days it sometimes feels like one has to write all essent…

> but the fact that they seem to have willy-nilly removed local vaults does.

They're a business, and 97% of their users were already on the subscription model. If you were running a business, and 97% of your users had abandoned a feature that was a headache for you to maintain, would you stubbornly keep wasting time and money on it?

Bitwarden is right there waiting for you.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by swiley »

munchbunny wrote: post #369
FreezerburnV wrote: post #50

I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

I think removing the self-managed data store feature makes sense even if not everyone likes it. It removes a source of architectural complexity, and most users aren't looking for local storage anyway. Personally, the problem of managing reliable persistence of my password database just isn't something I want to spend time on, and the incremental difference in security posture is uninteresting to me given that it's en…

>I think removing feature X makes sense, even if people are using it. It just makes the developers job way easier.

And that's why I only use community maintained software with no telemetry or "data driven decisions."

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by deadpanPotato »

yssrn wrote: post #144
yesimahuman wrote: post #68

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This is ridiculous. Electron works great, and if this leads to more frequent updates and a more consistent experience across platforms, that's a win for users. 1Password's Windows client, for example, has always felt behind the Mac edition, and if this brings parity and a higher feature and update velocity, that's a win. I have at least three Electron apps open right now and they are all great experiences that the va…

A password manager doesn't need frequent updates. Instead, the priorities should be reliability, UX responsiveness, and light resource usage.

...and security, which absolutely requires frequent updates. A password manager should be updated all. the. time. on this factor alone.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by vinceguidry »

antiframe wrote: post #389
vinceguidry wrote: post #216

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I really wish they'd offer other encryption backends than gpg. GPG is pretty long in the tooth. I never have problems with pass, all my problems are with gpg.

What, specifically, is your problem with gpg?

At the moment, it's that it has very inconsistent support in MacOS. Most of my machines are Linux, after I got the issues worked out on those it works reliably. OSX I use infrequently enough for it to be worth a ton of time troubleshooting. And so it only works rarely, like I think after a reboot. I think eventually I'll figure it out. The error I get is "no secret key". Even though when I run 'gpg' and then make sure my key is there, it still doesn't work when I run the pass commands.

But I'd rather use a backend that doesn't require as... weird... integration into the OS as GPG does. Between pinentry and having to store the passphrase, gpg just doesn't offer the same sort of out-of-the-box functionality as something less... heavy.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by Spivak »

movedx wrote: post #452
Spivak wrote: post #322

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The $0 competition for normal people is KeePassX stored in Dropbox, OneDrive, GDrive. The $0 competition for hackers is https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden

Simply not the same thing at all.

Why not? I had this setup for years before switching to bitwarden_rs.

You have apps on every device to access your password database and do autofill. I stored everything in KeePass, recovery keys, TOTP seeds, sensitive documents and notes. I get the password sharing thing for families but for a single user they have the same featureset. The only thing missing is browser access but even though I now have browser access to Bitwarden I think I’ve used it like twice. I think I used Keyweb maybe once.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by sanderjd »

FreezerburnV wrote: post #50

I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

Yep, long time 1password user and recommender. None of this bothers me.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by chiefalchemist »

bastardoperator wrote: post #323
jjoonathan wrote: post #249

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Funny story: I migrated from lastpass to bitwarden a couple years back. I expected a big mess. Instead, the import was better than perfect: a bunch of accounts that wouldn't autofill in lastpass magically started to autofill after being imported into bitwarden. I think it might be the only "better than perfect" import story I've ever experienced, and I can't rightly expect it to happen again, but it happened once and…

I was a lass pass user forever then dashlane user for about a year. I ditched them all for bitwarden and think it's easily the best I've tried.

I use Bitwarden at home. Two of my last three jobs used 1PW. I wish I had a ten'er for everytime I swore at 1PW and professed my love for Bw.

I previously used LastPass but heard about Bw on HN. Saw it had Yubikey support for just $10 per year. Tried Bw. Have never regretted that decision.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by kup0 »

dkonofalski wrote: post #446
kup0 wrote: post #343

I am a 1PW subscription user and am happy with the product (however, seeing they are moving to Electron means that is very subject to change...) but Saying that "customers voted with their wallet" and chose subscriptions is disingenous Ever since they've had subscriptions they've made the standalone license page extremely difficult to find on their site. They really didn't give regular users a "choice"- they dark-pat…

I disagree. When the subscription service came out, they very clearly offered both options side by side and the boxes were the exact same size, had the exact same button to proceed, and the same coloring. You were given a choice. Starting with 1Password 7's beta, they "hid" the standalone option on the site and then removed it completely and only allowed for purchasing standalone versions through the app itself but t…

Maybe it was a timing thing, but I strictly remember it being different than how you describe here

The only way I even know a standalone option existed at the time that I moved to 1PW was because of reviews/comments on other sites that then led me to support pages that said "oh yeah, if you still want that version, smirk smirk, then use this special link"

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by atonse »

slipperlobster wrote: post #410
thallavajhula wrote: post #131

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I've been using 1Password for 3 years now. Been paying $35/year and I'm with you on this one. I really like their service. The integrations are great. I rarely use their Mac app. I use my Apple Watch to unlock 1Password in my browser. That for me, is a game changer. It's such a seamless experience. I'm a happy customer and I love the service.

> I use my Apple Watch to unlock 1Password in my browser. Can you point me to where this gets set up? I'd love to do this.

This feature was a game changer for me and my Mac mini without Touch ID or Face ID
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