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Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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There was a flagged submission about a year ago about them https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22704138 I’ll go on a limb and say that apps don’t even have to integrate Placer’s sdk directly. If an app uses any monetization/tracking/ad tracking system, that tracking vendor may collect the geo data and then re-sell it to Placer (i.e. talk to Placer via a server to server API to let them know about the end user)

How much geo data can they obtain if my location is disabled for almost all of my apps?

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Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Placer is able to track cell phones that have an app installed that uses their SDK. They currently have their SDK in over 500 mobile apps. The data is anonymized, but it would probably shock people how much information I can get from this system. I just pick a location and I can see how many people walked into that location over any time span in the past 4 years, where they live, how much money they make, where else…

I'll bite. Where I live and where I shop, I can understand. But how does my cell phone know how much money I make?

They can tell by where you shop and where you live.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Ok, here's my problem with the movie theatre industry. There's 100+ years of fantastic historical content and we're not doing anything with it. 99% of what's shown in theaters is new releases. I understand we don't want to "go stale" as a society and that movie producers also need to make a living, but the balance is just way off. I would pay good money to see "the good the bad and the ugly" with my kids in a couple…

I can think of at least 4 big movie theaters in DC that did this. The Uptown used to do revivals between big releases. I saw Blade Runner, Ben Hur, 2001, and other classics there. They did not make money on those and had to convert to 100% current releases. I think it is now closed. The Air & Space IMAX theater used to do “Sci Fi Sundays” where they played a classic science fiction movie on Sunday evenings as the las…

I'd be curious to see if this approach could work with targeted marketing instead of mass marketing.

If the criterion collection promoted a rotating wide theatrical rerelease with it's streaming service I think you might have something. Include 4 tickets to the chosen criterion film a month with the streaming subscription as a kind of moviepass lite.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Ok, here's my problem with the movie theatre industry. There's 100+ years of fantastic historical content and we're not doing anything with it. 99% of what's shown in theaters is new releases. I understand we don't want to "go stale" as a society and that movie producers also need to make a living, but the balance is just way off. I would pay good money to see "the good the bad and the ugly" with my kids in a couple…

This is why the argument that rampant piracy will kill creative industries has no sway for me. There already exists multiple lifetimes or movies to watch, books to read, and music to hear. Why should I be concerned that it was all made before the piracy apocalypse? Realistically, government propaganda and eccentric multi-millionaires will continue produce mid-budget films with good production value and the starving artists and no-budget passion projects will also continue their productions unabated.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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What would the other type of competitor be? Those sports you mention like figuring skating and gymnastics already have execution scores 'style' if you will built in. Personally, I have the opposite opinion. I prefer sports that are more quantified on difficulty alone (and the obvious 1st to finish). Looking at execution is one thing, like taking a step is clearly not as skilled as sticking it no debate there. But jud…

I mean, I don't totally disagree with you when it comes to sports, but e.g. then they should just get rid of the name "artistic gymnastics", get rid of the silly music, and just call it tumbling. Figure skating is probably more difficult to fix, but even there I'd prefer the simple fix of having "girl's" figure skating (say 18 and under) and women's figure skating separated. The current rulebook makes it nearly impos…

yes! 1000% i'm totally on board with that change in gymnastics.

Age is an interesting point too. I don't know how I feel about that idea.

Though I do like that there are non-elite competitions (but still like .1% level..) with age groupings by decades that we can still fight in as we get older.

My sport is climbing. Like a lot of sports now it too has become a youthful competition (though you can be nearly 40 and still be world class on real rocks).

maybe because the type of climbing that competition climbing has morphed into (think jumping, parkour) is more gymnastic!

95% of the elite competitors are very young.

But maybe it's just because the crop of competitors my age didn't grow up with that style and we'll see today's competitors who did grow up learning it stay competitive longer.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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1) Try film festival schedules or lists-of-what-showed from previous years. Not just Sundance and Cannes and such (though lots of the films shown at those are , in fact, good, so don't not look at those)—if you have any special genre or topic interests, there may be some festivals for them, so look up a few big ones and start browsing. Why previous years? Because those films usually aren't widely available the same y…

> horror is downright rich these days—I can provide lots of strong, varied recommendations from the last few years, if you're into that kind of thing What would you recommend?

Oh no, I was afraid someone would take me up on that! Hahaha.

No particular order. Since 2010ish. Not an exhaustive list of all good horror in that time frame.

- You're Next. It's a trad home-invasion/slasher kinda thing but... then changes genre. I'll leave it at that.

- Cabin in the Woods. Needs no introduction? Solid humor-horror.

- Evil Dead. The soft reboot. Pretty good for the kind of thing it is, which is an Evil Dead-type movie, of course.

- The Babadook. Great horror for people who like to be scared but don't want gore. Extremely efficient use of a tiny cast and very few locations.

- It Follows. A core concept that's creepy as hell, and some damn fine imagery that will stick with you. Lots of moody, slow-paced (but good!) scenes but... it does follow. Unsubtly very much about the harmful aspects of sex and sexual behavior.

- The Witch (or, The VVitch, as it's styled). If you like frontier-type stuff, with period-accurate dialog, plus horror, this will very likely be up your alley. Nb that here "frontier" means "New England, probably just a few miles in from the coast", not, like, the "Old West".

- Bone Tomahawk. Action-horror that is set in the Old West. Not exactly a piece of fine film-making but it pretty much does exactly what it sets out to do, and does it well, which makes it a success in my book.

- The Void. Carpenteresque creature work and Lovecraftian baddies. Excellent example of a throwback horror movie that aims to feel like it was made in another decade.

- The Girl with all the Gifts. Some people liked this a lot more than I did, so I'm including it. I thought it was just OK. Basically a zombie movie, kinda.

- Krampus. I'm not usually into Christmas-horror, which tends to be sub-b-grade garbage and otherwise just isn't to my taste, but watched this because I kept seeing it recommended, and... wow, it's actually good. Careful that you get the right film, there are a bunch with similar titles and I'd guess most of them are terrible. This is the 2015 one directed by Dougherty.

- Get Out. I'd call it just OK (I don't... think I was supposed to find as much if it laugh-out-loud funny in the final act, as I did?) but accept that I'm probably wrong about that, given the overwhelmingly-positive reaction.

- Train to Busan. Maybe my favorite zombie-hoards type of movie I've seen.

- Sorry to Bother You. If you like genre-bending and lots of absurdism in your horror, this one's for you.

- Happy Death Day. Slasher x Ground Hog Day, with that concept explored for just about all it's worth. Relatively light-hearted (it'd almost have to be) but not without tension. Sequel's less good—not awful, but a big step down. Same director made a similar film, "Freaky", that's another mash-up concept, and is quite good.

- It Comes at Night. Uh... if you really like movies that make you kinda wish you'd never watched them, not because of, say, realistic gore, but because they sorta make your soul hurt, this is a very good movie of that kind. But maybe don't, though?

- One Cut of the Dead. Brilliant concept, fun throughout. Not in any sense a traditional zombie movie, and I would 100% recommend it to people who usually don't like zombie movies. Don't spoil it, go in as cold as possible. It's one that is much better if you know almost nothing about it before you start.

- Game Night. Horror-adjacent, at least. Not amazing but another one that I watched after being repeatedly assured by many people that it was much better than it looked like it would be (it looked pretty bad), and it was.

- Hereditary. I hated this one but it's another where my opinion is way, way in the minority. Lots of people love it.

- Colour out of Space. If you can tolerate, or actually enjoy, Nic Cage, and like Lovecraftian horror, this is worth a watch. Good FX work.

- The Last Matinee. By-the-numbers slasher set in a Uruguayan movie theater, in the 90s. Great kills, the right kind of gross, good set-up/pay-off, good at making you care enough about almost everyone that you're sad when they get got. Requires tolerance for subtitles.

- Caveat. Tight little small-cast film (I think it was a during-the-pandemic production, maybe?). Very stupid-sounding premise that ends up making enough sense in the film itself, and a lot more by the time it's over.

- Vicious Fun. I probably like this one more than it deserves, but I do like it. Horror-comedy, heavy on very winking-at-the-camera references to other horror films and the genre itself. It gets a little bit of the bad kind of indie-feeling in some of the shot choices and acting, but the way it keeps delivering even when you think it's winding down or running out of tricks is outstanding. Did not go the direction I thought it would, judging just from a short description of the plot.

- My Heart Can't Beat Unless You Tell It To. Probably the art-housest film on this list, so keep that in mind before deciding to watch it—you're not in for a standard horror experience, though there is tons of tension and definitely some murderin'. Very good, though. Strongly recommend avoiding spoilers as discovering what the movie's about is a big part of the experience.

- The Haunting of Hill House. OK, so it's a self-contained season 1 of an anthology series, not a movie, but it's (like The Babadook) a really good watch for people who like horror but not a bunch of gore or a sky-high body count. Creators seem to both know what themes are and how to use them for horror, which wouldn't be impressive in an ideal world, but is in this one.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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> Why isn't there yet a Poser or Daz3D/Blender/MakeHuman/$GAME_ENGINE that combined makes it easy for people to tell tales as movies yet? This is happening right now and it is mostly an update of the film techniques used in schlock, b films, but the results are much better.

Where?

Making of Kung Fury, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLKOHJs17rc

Corridor Crew makes a movie in Unreal Engine, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K7a_aMGA7Y

Sassy Justice talked to Jared Kushner about Deep Fakes, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjmmP1rE_3A

1/3 of the posts on Two Minute Papers, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEsYo9L5lOo

I won't be surprised when someone can feed a script into a model and out comes a fully rendered movie.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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This is bizarre, willfully blind take in a world where Always Sunny is one of the longest running comedy series of all time.

If anything, their point is somewhat made because someone made the decision to remove IASIP episodes from legal streaming options. https://www.reddit.com/r/IASIP/comments/hgbrs8/hulu_has_remo... And if you are familiar with the show, they are not prejudiced at all. But whoever chose to remove them is doing the "cover your ass" move, so I can certainly see some merit in what ryandrake is saying. 30 rock episodes were…

And Community.

An episode was focused on a D&D game, and one character was cosplaying as a drow elf, with facepaint. Removed because of 'blackface'.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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I think this interview that gets at a broader point that I find depressing/scary: that the availability of so much data and analysis has ended up "quantizing" creative endeavors to the point where formulaic output is just much, much easier, and that any truly innovative or "misunderstood" productions become much harder to sustain. I really see this issue everyone nowadays, from movies, TV and music to things like the…

I disagree, slightly. Cinema during WW2 and the 15 years that followed was almost all cookie-cutter nonsense. For the handful of classics that we can tick off on our fingers today, there were dozens of stinkers. Instead of computerized algorithms, they had fat walrus-like algorithms wearing well-tailored suits, big waistlines and stubby cigars trying to make the same picture over and over again (Grace Kelly, Liz Tayl…

Yup, the classics always get more attention in retrospect because they're the ones that survive. If all the superhero stuff is depressing remember that from the invention of cinema until New Hollywood in the 70's every third piece of entertainment (if not more) was a western/cowboy movie/show.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Like the other said, Sunny is long running. Curb, South Park are around too. I’m sure there’s more. This is off top of my head fav shows that aren’t abiding by what you’re saying are the rules now.

Community, IASIP, and 30 rock had shows that were removed by their rights holders from streaming or digital purchasing options last year, and still remain unavailable.

IASIP and 30 rock are both streaming on hulu
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