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Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by jtwaleson »

jtwaleson wrote: post #183

Ok, here's my problem with the movie theatre industry. There's 100+ years of fantastic historical content and we're not doing anything with it. 99% of what's shown in theaters is new releases. I understand we don't want to "go stale" as a society and that movie producers also need to make a living, but the balance is just way off. I would pay good money to see "the good the bad and the ugly" with my kids in a couple…

Ok, I crunched some numbers today. It turns out that in The Netherlands, 98.9% of screenings are from 2019,2020,2021. There are quite some cinemas showing old films, but it's only 1.1%. I based this on data from https://www.filmladder.nl.

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Post by david927 »

Traster wrote: post #338
fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #312

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How do we know that? Is it possible that substantially all the active funds with a thesis on AMC/GME got out, so now the price is driven by retail meme buyers who have no price target?

Honestly, I feel that we're way past the point of productively engaging with the wallstreetbets crowd, the "Naked short squeeze" eternal narative is about as substantial as the people claiming Trump will be inaugurated again later this year. There's no evidence threshold that can be met - on an infinite timeline, the fact that these hedge funds haven't lost money is just more evidence of dirty tricks rather than the…

Honestly, no one is asking you. They've done the DD. They like the stock. They're going to hold.

I see a lot of people kicking and screaming. I have no stake in this but I'm enjoying it all the same.

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Post by hallarempt »

chrisseaton wrote: post #301
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My wife and I used to buy a DVD in the second-hand books/new dvd's shop round the corner every Friday for a Friday-night movie viewing. He knew our tastes -- it must be sweet, funny with a happy ending and no adultery or rape -- but the shop closed. We regularly ask each other "Where's Roman Holiday but with a cute girl instead of Gregory Peck. Audrey Hepburn can stay."? Why all the drama in movies these days? We jus…

> Why all the drama in movies these days? We just wanna see two girls kiss and walk away in the twilight, hand-in-hand. I don’t see how that’s enough to support a film? No challenge to overcome or issue to resolve? That’s a basic of storytelling. What’s left without it?

That's just the ending, geez...

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Post by hallarempt »

blooalien wrote: post #246
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My wife and I used to buy a DVD in the second-hand books/new dvd's shop round the corner every Friday for a Friday-night movie viewing. He knew our tastes -- it must be sweet, funny with a happy ending and no adultery or rape -- but the shop closed. We regularly ask each other "Where's Roman Holiday but with a cute girl instead of Gregory Peck. Audrey Hepburn can stay."? Why all the drama in movies these days? We jus…

> Why isn't there yet a Poser or Daz3D/Blender/MakeHuman/$GAME_ENGINE that combined makes it easy for people to tell tales as movies yet? It should be possible to put everything together in an interface that even a movie producer could understand, which would make it a doddle for ordinary people. Okay, seriously? That's a really good idea right there. I personally would lean towards Blender + Godot game engine for su…

Yes, right? We've got pretty much all the tech for that, it only needs to be joined up and made accessible. Of course, it would be simple at first, but improveed on later.

And of course, that library... That would be a source of _real_ money.

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Post by hallarempt »

nerpderp82 wrote: post #231
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My wife and I used to buy a DVD in the second-hand books/new dvd's shop round the corner every Friday for a Friday-night movie viewing. He knew our tastes -- it must be sweet, funny with a happy ending and no adultery or rape -- but the shop closed. We regularly ask each other "Where's Roman Holiday but with a cute girl instead of Gregory Peck. Audrey Hepburn can stay."? Why all the drama in movies these days? We jus…

> Why isn't there yet a Poser or Daz3D/Blender/MakeHuman/$GAME_ENGINE that combined makes it easy for people to tell tales as movies yet? This is happening right now and it is mostly an update of the film techniques used in schlock, b films, but the results are much better.

Where?

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Post by kbenson »

kritiko wrote: post #440
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While I did specify theaters sort of like I expected a whole theater complex to be devoted to it, the more common example (at least around me) is for theaters to devote a portion of some theaters (as in "screens", the "theater" terminology is long past the point of being savable as referring to one distinct thing) to running specialty programs. For example, a weekly horror series where a couple showings a couple nigh…

There was a story about Disney stopping repertory showings of Fox movies after acquiring them: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vulture.com/amp/2019/10/dis... I suspect as the streaming services continue to expand, we’ll see more limited access to back catalogs.

That's interesting, because Disney is already known for stopping streaming to support limited theater releases during times of the year. For example, I recall there being a big deal that peoples digital purchases of a Disney title on Amazon were blocked for a few weeks/months while they released that film in theaters again around the Christmas holidays. I'm not finding the links to that, but I definitely remember it being a thing, and discussed here.

My guess is that they might restrict or increase cost of purchase for some things (while allowing streaming, which they can limit at any time), but also them make them more likely for strategic rerelease to theaters.

If that promotes more theater showings of these and also helps keep theaters around, I'm not sure it's that bad of a thing (even though blocking digital purchases is a dick move in general)

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Post by heleninboodler »

dogorman wrote: post #431
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There is a remarkably different experience between seeing Clint Eastwood 20 feet tall versus 25 inches tall

The angular size of Clint Eastwood is or can be made the same, by adjusting your distance from the screen. The difference is everything else about the experience, everything except the apparent size of Clint Eastwood. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_diameter

It's a lot more complicated than distance from the screen. My brain is pretty good at telling the difference between a small screen up close and a big screen far away at the same "apparent size," due to binocular vision and the effect focal distance (of both our eyes and the camera) has on the end result.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

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There was a thread[1] earlier in the week lamenting how tough it is to make modern comedies. Between the Twitter mobs scrutinizing anything for insensitivity and the need to appeal to international markets, it's really hard to come up with a universally funny and PC-acceptable comedy anymore. You can't do slapstick or silliness. You can't (even gently) poke fun at "groups" anymore. Best you can do is a cynical "dark…

Like the other said, Sunny is long running. Curb, South Park are around too. I’m sure there’s more. This is off top of my head fav shows that aren’t abiding by what you’re saying are the rules now.

Community, IASIP, and 30 rock had shows that were removed by their rights holders from streaming or digital purchasing options last year, and still remain unavailable.

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Post by curation »

jtwaleson wrote: post #183

Ok, here's my problem with the movie theatre industry. There's 100+ years of fantastic historical content and we're not doing anything with it. 99% of what's shown in theaters is new releases. I understand we don't want to "go stale" as a society and that movie producers also need to make a living, but the balance is just way off. I would pay good money to see "the good the bad and the ugly" with my kids in a couple…

I'm GenX and in my youth in Toronto I'd only go to the Fox and The bloor movie theater and they only played old things. I have not been to a theater in years after walking out of 10 movies in a row for so boring/silly.

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Post by hnu0847 »

handrous wrote: post #229
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> People who complain that nothing good is made anymore[0] must just be looking at what's advertised heavily, is all I can figure. That would be me. I am utterly uninterested in superheroes and found movies I seen last years somewhere between boring repetitive and annoying. Tho I liked parazite and some of other international splash making movies. At minimum they used different tropes. I have no idea where those fun…

1) Try film festival schedules or lists-of-what-showed from previous years. Not just Sundance and Cannes and such (though lots of the films shown at those are , in fact, good, so don't not look at those)—if you have any special genre or topic interests, there may be some festivals for them, so look up a few big ones and start browsing. Why previous years? Because those films usually aren't widely available the same y…

> horror is downright rich these days—I can provide lots of strong, varied recommendations from the last few years, if you're into that kind of thing

What would you recommend?

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