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Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by jmccaf »

m3kw9 wrote: post #470
danShumway wrote: post #11

Can we just link directly to the advocacy group's page ( https://appfairness.org/ )? I'm not certain the article is adding anything. ---- I'm generally supportive of at least some of Epic's arguments towards Apple, and I do believe that Apple (and multiple other FAANG companies) are engaged in anti-competitive behavior that's currently hurting the market. But a lot of the arguments I'm reading on the App Fairness sit…

There are 2 sides of analogies. I can also argue by saying Epic is analogous to a renter who doesn’t want to pay rent. It’s mostly because they can’t find any other point but to find something similar.

There is 10e6 times more diverse supply in the rental market than for app stores, even though renting housing is a regulated market with high transaction cost.

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Post by chefandy »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #453
nostrademons wrote: post #422

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That's assuming a level of critical thinking that exists on HN and a few other forums but isn't really common to the general public. Most people go into a new topic or new issue area with a basically neutral stance. They aren't looking to disprove the argument, nor do they even view it as an argument. Rather, they're thinking "OK, show me how this is relevant - tie it into my life and how it affects me, then I'll mak…

Or bad actors can use analogies to mislead people. Or a neutral actor erroneously uses them and the result is still misinformed people. My opinion is analogies do more harm than good, at best wasting people's time, and at worst, resulting in people coming to the wrong conclusions.

All language constructs can be abused. The problem is lying, not the rhetorical mechanism.

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Post by bluedevil2k »

pb7 wrote: post #476
bluedevil2k wrote: post #390

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The developers aren’t happy. No one forces a Fortnite player to buy skins or emotes, Apple forces developers to pay the fee.

No one is forcing them to develop for iOS. I will bet you dollars to donuts developers are very happy about the money they make from iOS otherwise they wouldn't be there.

> Otherwise they wouldn't be there

They're on the App Store because they have no choice and they need to make money to pay for things like food, rent, etc.

I'll bet you dollars to donuts if some regulation required Apple to allow App Stores from other companies, most developers would dump Apple's in a heartbeat.

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Post by MarioMan »

dingaling wrote: post #412
kstrauser wrote: post #231

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And furthermore, the Apple ecosystem is so popular because Apple curates the app store. I recommend their stuff to my non-techie relatives because I trust that they're not going to stumble their way into installing malware from some weird knockoff from Elbonia. With an iPhone, for better or for worse, I can point them at the App Store... app... ("say 'app' again! I dare you!") and be reasonably confident they're gett…

> There are multiple apps with "Instagram" in the name That's not very convincing 'curation'.

If it helps, all of them are "by Instagram" or in some way complementary to Instagram. None of the top results are impersonating Instagram.

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Post by lern_too_spel »

sixstringtheory wrote: post #430
stale2002 wrote: post #393

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> Please don't give me root access to my iPhone, I do not care about it, I have no need for it, and I do not want it Then don't turn on root mode? Nobody will force you to do anything, if I am given the option of easilu turning on root mode, and you can simply choose to not turn that on.

Once root mode is an option it will be exploited. The weakest link in software systems is often a human.

The number of steps and warnings required to unlock the bootloader on an Android device is so large that I have never heard of anybody being tricked into it. On the other hand, iOS is so rife with rootable vulnerabilities that it's becoming too cheap to meter.

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Post by ajford »

gowld wrote: post #277
zhobbs wrote: post #185

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Maybe it should be something like, "if your platform doesn't allow side loading of other apps, or other app stores, then the store on that platform can take no more than X% commission on sales"

Does Steam allow side loading into it's launcher/library?

Steam isn't a platform, it's an alternate app store. The Platform is PC/Mac/Linux. And they each have their own native app store.

PC has the Microsoft Store, Mac has the App Store, and Linux has it's own distro repositories depending on flavor.

SteamOS is just a tweaked Debian distribution, and you have full control of the os, so you can install any competing software you want.

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Post by debug-desperado »

Competition is good for consumers. It's very brave of Tim Sweeney et al. to take up this cause, and I hope they succeed.

We shouldn't tolerate the monopolies, duopolies, and _opolies of our age. The early 20th century progressives understand how harmful they were to the common man.

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Post by bogwog »

zepto wrote: post #429
candiddevmike wrote: post #62

Device freedom is a must. Any device should be completely controllable by the end user. There's two parts to this to me: app stores and the data collected by the devices. Users should have the freedom to install any software on their devices, period. Users should also have the freedom to stop all data collection by these devices. This applies to all electronics--video game consoles, TVs, printers, who knows what else…

This! Which is why I absolutely reject Epic et al’s position. They want to be part of a small exclusive group of store owners who get to share in the benefits of Apple’s investments. Very different from the device freedom you are calling for. It must also be said that device freedom cannot come at the cost of security and trust. I and presumably you, have the capability to make good decisions about what software to t…

> Which is why I absolutely reject Epic et al’s position.

> They want to be part of a small exclusive group of store owners who get to share in the benefits of Apple’s investments.

Can you clarify what you mean by this?

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Post by spideymans »

sixstringtheory wrote: post #430
stale2002 wrote: post #393

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> Please don't give me root access to my iPhone, I do not care about it, I have no need for it, and I do not want it Then don't turn on root mode? Nobody will force you to do anything, if I am given the option of easilu turning on root mode, and you can simply choose to not turn that on.

Once root mode is an option it will be exploited. The weakest link in software systems is often a human.

Follow this tutorial for awesome new wallpapers!

Step 1: Open settings > Tap 'enable root mode'

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