I'm resigning from my job at Facebook • Hacker News Board

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by zepto » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 3:54 PM UTC

artsyca wrote: post #467

zepto wrote: post #456

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Can you actually point to a success story in changing an organization from the inside?

It's already happening within Facebook this gallant lad falling on his own sword was an important motivator I'm sure https://www.theverge.com/interface/2020/6/3/21278233/mark-zu...

Yes, it almost certainly is helping.

Being willing to walk away is fundamental bargaining tool.

If some people quit over an issue, it strengthens the bargaining position of those who stay behind.

Both tactics are required.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by karaterobot » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 4:58 PM UTC

kiplkipl wrote: post #353

karaterobot wrote: post #262

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You're implying the commenter is hypocritical for being on a social media site while criticizing social media. I don't think that's necessarily true, since all they said was that _too much_ social media was bad for your health, not that any amount was. Even if they spent all their time on social media, their warning against it wouldn't necessarily be hypocritical. If an alcoholic tells you that alcohol is addictive,…

I don't think what you have said here is wrong. I do think that judgements about social media are made from the point of view of people who hear about the evils of big (fast food) websites mostly second-hand while wrongly believing they don't participate in it. My understanding is that this website was created was to make YC more famous among the kind of people who would post here. Posts are indexed by search engines…

Fair point, and well stated.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by ajani » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 5:54 PM UTC

at_a_remove wrote: post #242

mchusma wrote: post #49

I don't understand why doesn't Facebook just: -Allow all posts -Allow users to customize what they want to see (e.g. "dont show me posts that glorify violence" or "only allow covid posts that match WHO guidelines" or "allow exceptions from political figures or of historical significance") and allow users to ban hide posts that are found untruthful by third parties (snopes, etc). To me effectively everyone wins. Faceb…

Ah, that word "just." Whenever I see "just" in some kind of kind of technical demand in the first line, I immediately know that there's a lot of stuff to unpack. Here, you have requested something fairly close to a general AI which understands both written language, images, and even more fun, images of language. Cartoon violence right on down to "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" And will quoting Henry II…

Ah that word 'ah'. Whenever I see 'ah' at the start of a post, I expect condescension to follow.

In IT I infrequently hear anyone say IT.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by artsyca » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 11:45 PM UTC

zepto wrote: post #481

artsyca wrote: post #467

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's already happening within Facebook this gallant lad falling on his own sword was an important motivator I'm sure https://www.theverge.com/interface/2020/6/3/21278233/mark-zu...

Yes, it almost certainly is helping. Being willing to walk away is fundamental bargaining tool. If some people quit over an issue, it strengthens the bargaining position of those who stay behind. Both tactics are required.

Can you quantify that?

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by volkk » Sat, Jun 06, 2020, 4:20 AM UTC

s_y_n_t_a_x wrote: post #464

volkk wrote: post #459

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i don't necessarily disagree, but what happens when other politicians/constituents aren't doing their jobs?

That's a hypothetical I disagree with. Politicians will always address their counterparts and should always try to inform their constituents. It's up to the constituents to stay educated. Censoring politicians because people might be too stupid is a really bad reason.

sure, but realistically this is exactly what has been happening if you just look at the last few years. many people are extremely misinformed and there are tons of propaganda campaigns. finding the real truth is borderline impossible. what is the solution? continue as is until someone more and more radical comes along bending truth to their will? there's gotta be some middle ground between a ministry of truth and just completely lawlessness.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by kortilla » Sat, Jun 06, 2020, 5:10 AM UTC

cestith wrote: post #207

kortilla wrote: post #182

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> type of things like slavery, holocasts and treason The problem with convenient trap doors like this is now we’re back to being unable to debate the merits of Snowden because he committed treason.

He did no such thing. He blew the whistle on treason.

It pretty literally fits the definition of treason. Even he knows that and it’s why he’s not hanging out in the US.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by amadeuspagel » Sat, Jun 06, 2020, 8:19 AM UTC

mchusma wrote: post #49

I don't understand why doesn't Facebook just: -Allow all posts -Allow users to customize what they want to see (e.g. "dont show me posts that glorify violence" or "only allow covid posts that match WHO guidelines" or "allow exceptions from political figures or of historical significance") and allow users to ban hide posts that are found untruthful by third parties (snopes, etc). To me effectively everyone wins. Faceb…

This wouldn't satisfy the people angry at Zuckerberg. To them it's not about what they see, it's about what other people are allowed to see.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by dstola » Sat, Jun 06, 2020, 11:14 AM UTC

People that speak out in favour of virtue and signalling thereof get praise and admiration, other people that speak their opinion, which may be unconventional, get fired from their jobs or lose scholarships to universities. How did it come to this? Seems like this situation is a grotesque twisting of freedom of expression, something that the internet was supposed to endorse, not condemn.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by snarfy » Sat, Jun 06, 2020, 3:09 PM UTC

luckylion wrote: post #452

snarfy wrote: post #449

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It's the USA. Some states you can shoot trespassers. Others, like mine generally require a life threatening situation before deadly force is authorized.

That's quite the range though. If somebody breaks into your house and you have the ability to leave through the back door, would you be required to do so and would be charged if you didn't, a fight ensues and you kill the person? What if they walk out with your computer, can you try to stop them, knowing that it will escalate the situation to what is likely life-threatening?

If it's not life threatening, you are not allowed to physically hold someone. They'll be guilty of theft and you'll be guilty of assault. It has to be self-defense, then you can only response with equal force. Other than self-defense, only the police are authorized to use force.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by rdiddly » Sat, Jun 06, 2020, 9:14 PM UTC

ordinaryradical wrote: post #8

He’s standing up for what he believes. You can disagree with his convictions, but you should admire anyone who risks personal and financial consequences for sticking to their guns. That’s what actual morality is—not just a “belief” that is talked about but acted upon even when the results will be costly.

I mean, it's even simpler than all this. Talking about the money is what complicates it. "I don't like what this company does, so I don't want to be part of it." Pretty simple.

Either "...I don't want to be part of it, despite how much they pay me" or "...I don't want to be part of it, but I know I'll be okay" are both complicating the issue.

Be a Zen master. Strive for directness, simplicity. Don't fight yourself.