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Post by angry_octet »

wnkrshm wrote: post #335
s_dev wrote: post #324

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>And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround. Make the app a Web App and visit it in Safari. Apple has banned it being notarized and distributed from their App Store but iPhones still have access to the conventional web which Apple has no control over.

I wonder whether Hong Kong is behind the great firewall or not. Specifically, whether HK is behind it but the firewall is transparent for HK requests.

It isn't behind the Great Firewall, but it is behind an increasing number of government controlled boxes that could be turned into the Little Firewall. There are many direct fiber paths into HK that go directly to big companies and it would take time to bring them under control, but it would take only be a matter of time.

The other aspect of the Great Firewall is the alternative ecosystem inside it, and the censorship system embedded in weibo etc. It will be interesting to see if surveillance capitalism apps like Wepay and Alipay suffer a setback in HK in the wake of the protests. Cf https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-24/alipay-s-...

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by authoritarian »

sho wrote: post #315

Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…

> You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good.

No, I'm definitely not. Manifest destiny is just colonialism fueled by racism

>Some alabamans post an app on the app store so they can avoid the national guard. It's linked to secessionist alabamans avoiding and even attacking the guard. Apple takes it down, then puts it back up, then takes it back down

>"Good" you say.

No, I certainly wouldn't

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by mytailorisrich »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #475
mytailorisrich wrote: post #397

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Puerto Rico is a 'foreign colony', so to speak, that the US 'acquired' in the first place following the war against Spain in 1898. Hongkong is a core part of China that was wrestled away by a foreign power. There is no analogy within the US for Hongkong because the US have always been sucking in territory since they were founded, and never had any territory taken away. A similar situation would be if the Japanese Nav…

China, like every single country in the world, does not have an inherent "core". All its territory was acquired by war, expansion, colonization, and settling. China simply has a couple thousand year head start on the new world.

And if we go far enough in the past no current country even existed... That's true, and that also completely irrelevant, and may even be disingenuous rhetoric.

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Post by Cshelton »

mikestew wrote: post #473

I'm willing to believe this is just a delay so that Apple can get their people off the mainland, and then put the app right back in the store when everyone is safe. I don't even know that that's practical, and it's probably just a dream anyway. Beats my alternative theory at the moment, however.

Pulling all of their people out of China, along with operations will take some time. Not a small delay. They have already started to diversify manufacturing elsewhere though.

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Post by adolph »

scarface74 wrote: post #465
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #449

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Of course, Cook is a corporate shill, not an ideologue.

I'm not saying that Cook should diversify manufacturing for moral reasons. I am saying he should do it for purely practical reasons. But I do believe that a gay CEO who grew up in Alabama really cares about privacy.

It may be worthwhile to examine that belief. If someone cares about X because of Y, then maybe that person cares about Y and not X. If X is no longer a precondition for Y, then that person might drop X without a thought.

https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/121329-purity-of-heart...

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Post by akhilcacharya »

jbattle wrote: post #377
whatshisface wrote: post #329

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> You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. That's probably where you lose most of the US audience. One of the biggest differences between American and Chinese culture is that manifest destiny is mostly dead in America, but it isn't in China. Of course America has multinationals jockeying for global power, but that doesn't reflect how the voters think.

Go read the comment section on Breitbart or Fox or Red State. American Exceptionalism is still gospel truth for ~half the country

American exceptionalism != Manifest Destiny.

For the record, I believe in American exceptionalism (to me it's fairly self-evident) but not in a modern "manifest destiny".

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Post by davrosthedalek »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #366
tomp wrote: post #358

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> And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone You mean years ago? Not that I support this move by Apple, but ... how is this different from them rejecting any application for any reason? We've had a ton of stories on HN of them doing that (for various different reasons)...

It's not different. The societal impact is just larger this time around. Apple's position was never okay, and I hope this situation makes more people realize that.

Ah, come on, there are reasons which are less bad: Not accepting an app because it steals cc data. Virus. Etc.

Let's not pretend this is business as usual, however morally bad the usual business already is.

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Post by mmazing »

sho wrote: post #401
matwood wrote: post #352

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> wants all these rights others don't have This is exactly how the United States is setup. Notice how pot is legal in some states and not others? I don't see the National Guard marching on Colorado.

Pot? That's your argument? Show me the state where you can show full penetrative sex on public TV at 9pm, like you can in europe, and I'll agree they're independent. EDIT: OK, that was a dumb example. Substitute banning guns, or lowering the drinking age, or lowering income tax. Country-level things.

Seems like a pretty high bar.
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