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Re: Android Oreo

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Post by batiudrami »

saghm wrote: post #70
jampa wrote: post #36

I know this is a non-issue for many, but those emojis look really dated. Every update they get harder and harder to read in small form. One of the things I observe, mainly on Instagram Stories is only people with iOS post with emojis attached, I never see Android ones. Too bad there is no way to install custom emojis in any system (without rooting/registry tweaking), like we do with fonts.

Personally, I find it kind of ridiculous that new emojis are considered flagship features of mobile OS updates. I'd think that it would be possible to decouple emoji updates from kernel/security updates, so I imagine that Android/iOS tie them to the OS updates solely as a way to motivate non-technical users to update.

I suspect it's probably just that "by the time we realised this would be important it was too hard to change it" rather than anything sinister. Though I wish they would pull them out so I can swap or update them externally to software.

"All current iOS emoji will now work on my phone" was genuinely a highlight of the Nougat update for my Galaxy S7 .

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by batiudrami »

ricardobeat wrote: post #401
ftxrcc wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not out of touch with what their customers want. Many of them didn't like them because of the whole "Android is cheap" dilemma (which is BS). The users asked and they got. The people who did like them are a very small, specific, yet vocal group of people.

Where do you take that from? To me, the new ones look way "cheaper", like ripped off WordArt.

They look more like the iOS ones. That's what's important (even though I think the overuse of gradients makes iOS emoji look dated too).

Oddly Facebook Messenger seems to have the best set [1], for my eyes.

[1] https://emojipedia.org/messenger/

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by thanksgiving »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #390
metalliqaz wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Verizon is the Comcast of wireless. The next omen of the apocalypse will be when the Trump administration approves their merger.

Good thing their lawyer literally runs the FCC. They also have the best coverage, also like Comcast. Unlike Comcast, however, you don't have to get Verizon depending on where you live.

Verizon wireless being evil is exactly why I stuck with T-Mobile for such a long time even as they keep making billing "mistakes" to the tune of about ten dollars every month for a while. (I believe they're just supremely incompetent but the errors somehow always are to their benefit.) With Verizon or Cingular, I assume it is just pure malice.

I've talked to people about how Verizon is trying to use its network as an advantage for advertising with supercookies and such on one end and Yahoo!/Aol on the other end but it seems to alarm nobody.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by JetSpiegel »

euyyn wrote: post #319
JetSpiegel wrote: post #291

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If emoji are in Unicode, why can't I choose how to represent then? Isn't that the job of the font? If you want total control over what the recipient sees, send an image. It would be like if a webpage requested Helvetica and you are using Linux the text simply wouldn't render.

> If you want total control over what the recipient sees, send an image. Is this for real? You rather people have to stop using emojis and send images in their stead, than the different platforms give them the same meaning?

They have the same meaning, namely the one encoded in Unicode.

Just because different platforms have different fonts does not charge they meaning.

An "a" in Helvetica has the same meaning as in Times New Roman, but the glyph is different. "" means the same thing, even though I inputted it as the Android yellow blobs, I see it as a simple black and white symbol and an iPhone user reading this will see another different image.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by boojing »

weberc2 wrote: post #315
rdsubhas wrote: post #141

Not saying that everything else is bad, but one thing that strikes me is how much they have run out of interesting things now that they had to use fillers[1] like: Tooltips Support for tooltips (small popup windows with descriptive text) for views and menu items. Normally, this would be relegated to a git changelog in the support library. But this is on the global marketing landing page. I like to imagine a fictional…

To be fair, I have an iPhone and I'm still waiting for the "remotely sane text selection" feature to ship. Just in case you think this is hyperbole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhWz7rMj56Y

I just tried the 7+'s text selection and it works great unlike in that video.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by krit_dms »

jng wrote: post #267

Please use a PNG for the emojis image... it's so painful to see the JPEG halo/bleeding artifacts...

How can you send time constructing such a fancy webpage, and not notice that jpeg mess?!

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by throwaway613834 »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #476
mkhpalm wrote: post #467

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Functional planned obsolescence. Hardware vendors will find a way to break hardware abstraction layers... so they can sell more hardware. Its the business model.

I bought a series of Nexus phones. The Nexus 5 no longer works. The Nexus 4 still works, but its battery is puffing out. The Nexus S has no hardware problems at all, but it's too underpowered to run modern software. The model "phone vendors nefariously build products with short lifespans, regardless of what people want to buy, so that they can sell more hardware" has trouble explaining why the longest-lived phones ar…

> The model "phone vendors nefariously build products with short lifespans, regardless of what people want to buy, so that they can sell more hardware" has trouble explaining why the longest-lived phones are the earliest ones.

Maybe because first you try to make your earlier products good to get customers, and then once your business is going and you've grabbed a portion of the market you find it profitable to take risks like this?

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by throwaway613834 »

thanksgiving wrote: post #483
seanp2k2 wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good thing their lawyer literally runs the FCC. They also have the best coverage, also like Comcast. Unlike Comcast, however, you don't have to get Verizon depending on where you live.

Verizon wireless being evil is exactly why I stuck with T-Mobile for such a long time even as they keep making billing "mistakes" to the tune of about ten dollars every month for a while. (I believe they're just supremely incompetent but the errors somehow always are to their benefit.) With Verizon or Cingular, I assume it is just pure malice. I've talked to people about how Verizon is trying to use its network as an…

Can I ask what some examples of these "mistakes" are?

P.S. also, was Cingular a joke about AT&T? I think I missed what the joke is...

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by batiudrami »

0x00000000 wrote: post #69

Android has really been annoying me lately. Maybe I didn't care before but now that I can't root my phone I am forced to deal with it. Still can't disable or customize to stupid "share" menu that puts you one click away from accidentally sending something to a stranger you contacted once on sms or facebook messenger or email. Still can't revoke certain permissions from apps (like vibration). There is zero reason why…

Try this app[1] for customising your share menu. Lets you remove a lot of the cruft that clogs up your share menu too.

[1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andmadesof...

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by thanksgiving »

mlnj wrote: post #408
flukus wrote: post #330

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How do tooltips even work on a touch based OS?

Devices with a stylus (like the Galaxy Note series) can use it by hovering on the element.

Speaking of the note series, I wonder if the note 8 will ship with Oreo and if so how well it keeps the treble stuff.
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