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Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by coffeebeqn »

RajT88 wrote: post #354
raincole wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It has been polished and ready since at least 2019. Linux people said things like this in 2019 too. It's always "been improved a lot in the past few years" (not saying this statement can't be true.) At this point I'm convinced that no matter how much or little Linux desktop is improved, its market share is solely dependent on how much Microsoft fucked up.

2026 is the year of Linux on the Desktop! > At this point I'm convinced that no matter how much or little Linux desktop is improved, its market share is solely dependent on how much Microsoft fucked up. Lifelong Windows user here. If you could get the kind of driver support you have with Windows for just whatever the fuck you have lying around, I'd probably use my Ubuntu laptop as more of a daily driver.

Try mint on a live boot. I’ve found it to be the most “just works” on various laptops

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by ethbr1 »

anakaine wrote: post #375
zormino wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually agree, Linux is well past the point a minimally tech competent person can use it fine, but it doesn't solve the fact that even if Linux was flawless, there is still a switching cost in time, relearning a new system, and worst (best?) of all of you decide you are willing to do all of that now you can get entirely lost in the weeds picking a distro. I used Linux all through university, then went back to wind…

Theres a lot of friction from enterprise Microsoft admins, too. "But how will I group policy and Entra xyz?" is a concern I hear regularly, but still struggle to educate them away from.

This is more desktop linux's certification and standardization problem than technical problem.

Because "It works" is insufficient for regulated industries that require "Prove is works using ___ standard" (where proving takes a ton of people-time), and more and more industries are soft-regulated as a condition of cyber insurance.

I.e. what RedHat was created to solve

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by maccard »

ngc248 wrote: post #339
maccard wrote: post #85

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At my last job I was responsible for 70 windows 11 machines. At my current job it’s 20. These are i7/i9 spec with 64+GB memory and NVMe drives. No endpoint management software, just Intune for device registration. They all have _very significant _ performance issues out of the box, with very long app startups, and very confusing slowdowns. I am 99% sure it’s windows defender doing an absolute crap ton of work on ever…

Windows defender has the uncanny ability of spiking up its resource usage at just the wrong time. Add in MS teams into the mix and the system just starts screaming.

I know nothing about how defender works internally but it seems to do a synchronous scan on every single file access and an extra long one on a DLL or exe. It seems to cache them but throws the entire cache away on restart. The behaviour is worse on C than another partition even if the partition is on the same drive. Anything that accessed a hunch of files on startup will bring your computer to its knees on first launch.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by maccard »

efreak wrote: post #370
maccard wrote: post #336

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> Why would everyone be hosed just because a binary got committed to version control? We’re hosed if someone submits malware to source control and other people run it? > Either way, surely you can set up some policies or monitoring for that sort of thing. Like a tool that comes with windows that checks that nobody has done that, called windows defender? The tool I have a problem with? > I've been developing on Window…

Set up server-side commit hooks in git to run your checks. Don't allow binaries to be run from user-writable locations.

In an ideal world sure. But we have versioned closed source third party tools that need to be shared with the team. The industry standard in games is to dump that stuff in perforce. I’ve only got so many battles in me.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by ethbr1 »

edg5000 wrote: post #466
DrBazza wrote: post #452

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MS has inertia on its side, and its abusive marketing and lock-in strategies of the 90s. Remember when you couldn't buy a PC without Windows from most vendors? Meaning you were paying MS, even if you immediately uninstalled it? The long term outcome of that is that 90+% of industry still buys Windows PCs. And non-industry: once non-techie people are on an OS (Windows/MacOS), many don't move off it, though Apple's eco…

I just realized, when I got my HP laptop I've never even booted its default Windows install, but MS still got paid. I'd rather have that money to go HP so the laptop could be made better. Insane how they're getting paid for nothing, almost like a tax. HP could just have offered an OSless option, but no. A silly world we live in.

> HP could just have offered an OSless option, but no.

At HP-scale, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the money for a Windows license does go to HP.

I expect the major vendors, today, have fairly equal bargaining power with MS over unit license costs, in the volumes they're buying.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by pjmlp »

DrBazza wrote: post #452
raincole wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It has been polished and ready since at least 2019. Linux people said things like this in 2019 too. It's always "been improved a lot in the past few years" (not saying this statement can't be true.) At this point I'm convinced that no matter how much or little Linux desktop is improved, its market share is solely dependent on how much Microsoft fucked up.

MS has inertia on its side, and its abusive marketing and lock-in strategies of the 90s. Remember when you couldn't buy a PC without Windows from most vendors? Meaning you were paying MS, even if you immediately uninstalled it? The long term outcome of that is that 90+% of industry still buys Windows PCs. And non-industry: once non-techie people are on an OS (Windows/MacOS), many don't move off it, though Apple's eco…

It still can't be a PC without windows, when going to the shopping mall stores normies use.

The computers on display are gaming PCs with windows, PC laptops with Windows, macOS laptops, and Chromebooks, which in Europe are largely ignored.

Normies aren't going to Tuxedo website asking for a Linux desktop.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by Friedduck »

Outlook has been an embarrassment for years. Poor defaults, bugs that have existed for years, and sub-par performance.

Search for a meeting: it shows you the oldest first.

Busy search calendars? It may or may not show working hours. It’s incapable of helpfully locating a mutually agreeable time in the way more modern agents can.

Search for mail? It’s an abomination trying to prioritize what you actually want.

The settings aren’t intuitively organized and a hodgepodge of UI standards.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by laughing_man »

RajT88 wrote: post #354
raincole wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It has been polished and ready since at least 2019. Linux people said things like this in 2019 too. It's always "been improved a lot in the past few years" (not saying this statement can't be true.) At this point I'm convinced that no matter how much or little Linux desktop is improved, its market share is solely dependent on how much Microsoft fucked up.

2026 is the year of Linux on the Desktop! > At this point I'm convinced that no matter how much or little Linux desktop is improved, its market share is solely dependent on how much Microsoft fucked up. Lifelong Windows user here. If you could get the kind of driver support you have with Windows for just whatever the fuck you have lying around, I'd probably use my Ubuntu laptop as more of a daily driver.

I switched to Ubuntu a few months back, and I didn't have any issues. It was faster than installing Windows.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

raincole wrote: post #351
modriano wrote: post #288

Up until 2019, Windows was my daily driver and had been for the prior ~20. years. I had been regularly ssh-ing into Linux machines, but it didn't seem like a place I could live. Then, in 2019, I built a PC and, wanting to get more proficient in Linux environments, I made it a dual boot setup with a Ubuntu desktop partition and a Windows partition, expecting I'd inevitably get frustrated on the Linux partition by side…

> It has been polished and ready since at least 2019. Linux people said things like this in 2019 too. It's always "been improved a lot in the past few years" (not saying this statement can't be true.) At this point I'm convinced that no matter how much or little Linux desktop is improved, its market share is solely dependent on how much Microsoft fucked up.

Yep, see also "lies, damn lies, and feedback on arch linux":

https://www.bitecode.dev/p/lies-damn-lies-and-feedback-on-ar...

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by fluoridation »

maccard wrote: post #474
efreak wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Set up server-side commit hooks in git to run your checks. Don't allow binaries to be run from user-writable locations.

In an ideal world sure. But we have versioned closed source third party tools that need to be shared with the team. The industry standard in games is to dump that stuff in perforce. I’ve only got so many battles in me.

"It's what everyone does" is not per se a good reason to do something. A version control system is not for file sharing, it's to collaborate and track changes over time.
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