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Did you to talk to the strangers in the night club when you were 11? Or were there several completely separate reasons for why you couldn't?
The internet has explicitly R-18 chats. Random IRC channels are not nightclubs. I am moving the goal posts back, if you touch them again we're escorting you off of the field.
Age verification is fine , at least in theory. It’s the implementations that are bad. More and more people agree that kids shouldn’t be on modern social media, including me. But most people also agree that mass surveillance is dangerous. The solution is to propose ways to block kids from modern social media (that actually works) without mass surveillance. Better parental controls, more parental education, and site-sp…
Why isn't there a simple solution in the software world that's functionally equivalent to flashing your ID at the liquor store? They get the verification they need with no permanent record of your PII . This can't be that hard. Can't I get an electronic certificate/flag verified by a trusted third party using my ID, where this cert retains no PII? This is what I come up with after not thinking very hard about the pro…
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Somehow this "leave it to the parents" logic isn't followed when it comes to cigarettes or alcohol. Why is social media different?
Because the patterns of consumption and harm are very different. It's the constancy and immediacy of social media that makes up the major part of its harm. It's not something where a 15 minute smoke break or a weekend binge is the main mode of consumption and harm. So the parents have a lot more opportunity and power to handle it if they give it reasonable time and attention.
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We don't let kids turn up to school drunk because they went to the cornershop on the way to school. I guarantee that would be happening if alcohol sales were not age gated and enforced by the government. In the same way kids should not be infecting their minds with social media slop, or porn, or plenty of other internet content. The only way this is stopped is when a social norm is created which shames all but the mo…
So maybe there should be better education for parents. Maybe there's other solutions. I can't accept that the nanny state parenting our children for us is the way to go. If people are being negligent of keeping their children safe, maybe they should face consequences for that. The point is, the parents should be solely responsible for deciding what's appropriate for their children, and if they don't have the resource…
Interesting that no one is talking about identity verification likely coming anyway. I’m working on clawchrome.com, a real browser for agents. It can access any website because it’s the real browser. I sure hope agents don’t swarm social media. But at the same time I think identity verification companies have a tougher problem, ai can produce real looking videos and documents. There’s probably no real way to verify s…
I can't really connect the dots here. If you hope agents don't swarm social media, why are your working on a real browser for agents?
"Will the police stop and search people on the street looking for unauthorized phones? Prison sentences for buying a non-state computer on the black market? Charges of organized crime for smuggling in containers of open-source software on USB sticks?" Come on, do people seriously believe this will happen?
>and that you can no longer post anonymously on social media. You cannot be certain that your criticism of the government will not be followed up by the authorities. sorry but I don't get this point. If you're on Instagram or Facebook, did you think fifteen different three letter agencies weren't already watching you? It has the word 'face' in the name, the entire point of that site is that people mindlessly share th…
Also, if the government arrests you for making a post, the issue is them arresting you, not your post not being anonymous. Like, criticizing the government shouldnt just be possible because you can hide behind a fake name. It should be legal with your face name and address attached to it as well
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Who is this "they" you speak of? We have age verification for all kinds of things that can harm minors. Most of them have adequate penalties for breach such that operators of said harms ensure they comply (checks for ID when selling alcohol, entry to over-18s pubs/clubs, etc.) There's nothing sinister going on here, just attempts to prevent social/mental harm to minors.
> There's nothing sinister going on here There absolutely is you're just not aware of it. This whole thing is meta financially backing right wing conservative groups that want age verification because meta wants to avoid liability for the harms their platforms cause. In addition, this is the beginning of the end of any sort of anonymity on the internet, which has disastrous consequences for politically minded individ…
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This assumes that it will actually solve the problem anyway. Kids just get a fake account or a VPN anyway. Addiction is the worst part and that is only going to happen on your own device.
You do know that many sites don’t work with a vpn. Like this one. You can’t create an account on HN with a vpn. Also, countries are starting to ban vpn ip blocks entirely. In fact, turkey was monitoring tor entry nodes and disappearing whomever provided them. Banned tor pretty damn fast. Vpns can be turned off in a snap.
Even the big commercial providers that are advertising all over YouTube are constantly changing IP space so they can keep their customers able to pop into another Geo region and still get Netflix.
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> the EU implementation doesn't use ZKP The EU implementation is work in progress. I am not aware of any country using it for age verification. I am not sure I get the argument of "it's not finished, but I will pretend that it is because it's convenient for me". > You can try again if you like. Switzerland is another one that seems to be going towards a privacy-preserving solution. Is Switzerland known for being an a…
> I am not sure I get the argument of "it's not finished, but I will pretend that it is because it's convenient for me". > The European Commission has announced that a new age verification app designed to protect children online is ready for deployment. In a recent statement, President of the Commission Ursula von der Leyen, confirmed that the technology is ready and will soon be available for citizens to use. https:…
If you want to go back to the origin, sure let's do that. My criticism was really JUST that one could explain privacy-preserving age verification in a constructive way, without always framing it in the manipulative way that implies that it is not technically feasible. And apparently you agree with that.
> I've heard literally 0 complaints about whatever Switzerland might be doing.
Haven't you? I have heard many comments just like yours, implying that "whoever wants to verify the age is an authoritarian".
Let's stop here, we're not going anywhere.