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Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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post #26

hey claude build me a small social media site i can use with my friends... the beginning of the freedom of every person to become a developer

"I'm sorry but I can't fulfill requests that might potentially harm young sebastian."

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

#142
10 years ago I thought all the cool cats would be hanging out on old skool communities on Tor via meshnet connections.

Instead, in 10 years I'll probably have to log in with an iris scan to check the (ai-powered) time, and pay for the privilege.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

#143
post #47

This is so lame, it seems like a small number of pedophiles have forced us to deal with all this age verification stuff. Porn has always been around (national geographic, anyone), and parents can use screen time to limit access for their children if they want.

Current policy is victim-blaming: it excludes from social media potential victims (children) but allows perpetrators (convicted csam users). But this was always about governments wanting to know who's posting what (and controlling them, through chilling effect); not about saving 'the children'.

I don't necessarily agree with all these measures, but there is a lot more harm in social media than just pedophiles hunting children.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

#144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you believe people should be able to traverse the internet anonymously?

Why should you be able to traverse the internet anonymously? You cannot traverse real life society with the same expectations. Majority of the people traversing anonymously are doing so because they are routine troublemakers and do not want to bare consequences for their malicious actions. The ones fighting for this complete anonymity but not doing crime are naively just sweeping for bad actors.

> You cannot traverse real life society with the same expectations.

I actually can. For real. I can not get job or housing anonymously, but overwhelming majority of my real life interactions are anonymous.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

#145
post #128

It would be an excellent case for zero-knowledge cryptography: All that you need to know is that I am above 18 years of age. You don't need to know how old I am, what my birthday is, what state I was born in, my gender, or when my passport expires. The downside with ZK cryptography is the complexity. Something would have to be insanely inconvenient to justify it.

> It would be an excellent case for zero-knowledge cryptography: The last ~third of the article is about the EU's zero-knowledge approach

People don't read, just comment

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

#146
Age verification is fine, at least in theory. It’s the implementations that are bad.

More and more people agree that kids shouldn’t be on modern social media, including me. But most people also agree that mass surveillance is dangerous. The solution is to propose ways to block kids from modern social media (that actually works) without mass surveillance.

Better parental controls, more parental education, and site-specific age verification (Facebook etc. can require whatever PII they want to use their service) backed by incentives (whitelisting in parental controls, promoted as a “safe site” in parental education). Are these enough? Maybe not, but maybe mandatory ID and blocking VPNs aren’t enough as evidenced by people bypassing them. These (first three) are progress, that don’t yet require mass surveillance, and we can first see how effective they are then go from there.

I wish people wouldn’t say “age verification is bad”, it’s like “anti-work” and “defund the police”.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

#147
post #110

Interesting that no one is talking about identity verification likely coming anyway. I’m working on clawchrome.com, a real browser for agents. It can access any website because it’s the real browser. I sure hope agents don’t swarm social media. But at the same time I think identity verification companies have a tougher problem, ai can produce real looking videos and documents. There’s probably no real way to verify s…

I can't really connect the dots here. If you hope agents don't swarm social media, why are your working on a real browser for agents?

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

#148
post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The relationship was established decades ago and they accept money and direct deposit still with no KYC. Having just gone through the annual KYC checks required by my bank/s I don't think this opinion stands universally. Can also confirm to open an account I need to provide a live selfie and verifiable government ID.

Asinine requirement by whatever risk management firm they use. A selfie provides nothing in terms of lasting security while simultaneously adding permanent risk.

Have you ever considered that it’s a front? You may think that store that never has customers is just run incompetent business people, but in reality the real objective is not the one you believe it to be, and it’s actually great if you were to refuse understanding that.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

#149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You find it to be a negative that banks require identity verification to drain an account? Personally, I would refuse to keep my money with a bank that doesn’t do this.

The relationship was established decades ago and they accept money and direct deposit still with no KYC. But to get the money out? Oh no! We need a picture of your face! And there’s no option for going in person.

> they accept money and direct deposit still with no KYC.

WHAT? No KYC? what are those banks?! I have friends in South America who would pay really good money (cash) to know

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

#150
post #5

So, to post something in 2027: - You have to have an approved browser. - It has to be installed on an approved platform, Google or Apple, for which you have a valid account. - You have to have an account on the posting platform. - You have to get past moderation on the posting platform. That's without age verification.

That’s to post something on a garbage social media like Facebook. Facebook owns their site, so I believe they can require whatever they want, and your option is to not use them. Other services requiring Facebook (or an Apple or Google phone) and everyone using Facebook are separate problems, that should be handled specifically; I think it’s easier to leave Facebook than coerce Facebook into decency.

Fortunately on Hacker News, you still only need a username and password. And if spam is an issue, on lobste.rs you only need an invite.

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