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Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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If Microsoft was really ambitious about building a product truly competing to the Macbook Pro, they would need to ship it with a radically different version of Windows.

Microsoft cannot just throw upgraded hardware after the Surface, and expect it to compete with the Macbook Pro. The Macbook Pro is not primarily popular due to Apple Silicon, but the combination of a focused user experience (although, Liquid Glass was a significant step-down) and high-end hardware.

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Would love to see many more manufacturers read this as the slight taht it is from Microsoft and to follow Lenovos lead in making windows a paid add-on, going with a big Linux distro as the default. Maybe instead of hardware they should just stick to the knitting and deal with their quality issues around both the OS and the Office suite right now.

The whole forum here is bashing Windows for being thermal / performance disaster compared to apple products. I do not see how a laptop running Linux will evade the same fate (at least the bashing :).

If it helps clarify, Apple have also let their OS quality go too. Years of under investment just shiny new veneer.

Linux has continues to improve and in my opinion is ready to be “the free default” OS on PC’s and standard laptops.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a valid comparison. Up until this (theoretical) machine, the playing field wasn't equal. Windows laptops in general couldn't really compare in many aspects with Macs since M1 (outside of gaming), batteries were horrible due to bad efficiency, performance wasn't amazing even with the best SKUs, and the distance between the vendor and Microsoft was always impacting different aspects of the finished product. Ev…

That is a lot of misdirection that doesn’t address the main point of the of OC. This fancy new device still runs windows. And that is a non starter from many people.

That works both ways: The macs run MacOS which for my work at least is a non-starter. I write win-only apps and sell to win-only customers who run only windows-machines. I do want to run local AI models on my machine though so I really do see the need for shared memory laptops.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

#476

Who is the target market for this? As an Apple user who can’t make iPad OS work I am always tempted by the surface but.. Every time I contemplate the surface (I like the hardware / concept) it seems the software I might want to use doesn’t support arm..

I do windows (Desktop) dev for work, and am interested in running local AI. I'd be really happy to have a machine with 64GB shared memory and a decent x64 emulation.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

#477
It feels hard to be excited by a DGX Spark stuffed into a laptop. It's still slow RAM (much slower than a Mac) and arbitrarily limited to 128GB. Can't they at least offer a higher end model with faster RAM and more of it? Sure it would cost a bundle, but there are still people who'd buy it for the local AI capability.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

#478

It feels hard to be excited by a DGX Spark stuffed into a laptop. It's still slow RAM (much slower than a Mac) and arbitrarily limited to 128GB. Can't they at least offer a higher end model with faster RAM and more of it? Sure it would cost a bundle, but there are still people who'd buy it for the local AI capability.

I wonder if this is just a way to recycle the chips that did not bin good enough to used for DGX Spark?

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

#480

Microsoft doesn't get it. People don't buy MacBooks because they're powerful. People buy MacBooks because they love macOS.

People buy Windows Laptops because they need to run windows.

But everyone saw the M1 and realized that local AI basically made integrated memory the future. People can't choose between "A computer that is good at local AI" and "A computer that runs the OS that I need".

This is the answer to that. I _must_ run Windows, and I _want_ to have a computer with integrated memory.

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