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Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by toasty228 »

2ndorderthought wrote: post #232
Blackthorn wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving group of people. My irony detector is sparking so badly I think it's about to blow.

As much as it's funny to dunk on meta this type of surveillance is becoming the norm. Failed start ups are selling all their emails, chats, commits, etc for companies to train on. Most job offers now come with statements about how you don't have right to your likeness, or your personal network I think most people assume that's for photo ops, but ... Yea. I expect more and more of this. products and product features r…

> As much as it's funny to dunk on meta this type of surveillance is becoming the norm.

It already is illegal in developed and civilised countries

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by rkozik1989 »

VerifiedReports wrote: post #374

What toxic trash. I hope this is widely hacked. If these employees are any good, someone will whip up a countermeasure that feeds absurdly wild and nonsensical data into Meta's fetid, gaping maw.

The way you fight this is to get another job. At this point all jobs in big tech are just temp jobs anyways. Eventually the reality of this will sink in and the smart people necessary to power this company will invest time into career paths that pay a lot but more reliably.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by ModernMech »

dagmx wrote: post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

I've always said if corporations were governments they would be totalitarian fascistic dictatorships. This is just them evolving to their final form. No idea why anyone would want to work at a corporation like Meta by choice the same way I don't understand why anyone would move to North Korea, but I guess the money is just that good.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by nacozarina »

reaperducer wrote: post #131
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you use your work machine at Facebook for dissent, you don't deserve a tech-adjacent job.

In most developed countries, dissent in the workplace is protected by labor laws.

he’s trying to prove he can lick boots even harder

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by mindcrime »

bialpio wrote: post #432
sylware wrote: post #426

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It is even worse in France: if you code open source "on the side" of you work, at home, the company which employs you may claim the copyrights of it. I had to add explicit exclusion of this claim of copyrights in my job contracts to protect my personal work. That was a few years back, dunno if that was fixed.

AFAIK it's the same in the USA, that's why one of the first questions when interviewing with a company is to ask them about their moonlighting policy if you do want to work on a side project.

> AFAIK it's the same in the USA

It varies by state in the USA. Some states have strong protections for work you do "on your own time, on your own equipment, that isn't connected to your work." Others, not so much...

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by gausswho »

nikkwong wrote: post #434
isodev wrote: post #357

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I know right, so much pain and horror has been unleashed in the world by Meta… I have zero sympathy for their employees. Someone should’ve said no to developing this tech in the first place but here we are.

Former meta employee. It's not like people have an unlimited number of places to work, even if they have Meta on their resume. Many of my colleagues (and myself included) had struggled in the job market in the past before landing at Meta. If it's work for Meta, or suffer more tumult in the hiring market; it's easy to understand why many might decide to take the offer even with the moral implications. I used to bring…

> It's kind of hard to blame individuals when they either are rightfully consumed by worrying about their own welfare or are for whatever reason not as seminally hyperaware or woke as we can be in the west.

If you care that your employer is being unethical (such as storing your keystrokes), that's being hyperaware, woke?

I know the definition of woke can stretch like taffy, but it now seems dislodged from its origins concerning race and gender and is now just a vague disparagement of any speaking up to injustice.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by le-mark »

andrekandre wrote: post #282
dbgrman wrote: post #276

Because ends justify means. To quote Boz himself: “ The ugly truth is that we believe in connecting people so deeply that anything that allows us to connect more people more often is de facto good. It is perhaps the only area where the metrics do tell the true story as far as we are concerned.”

> connect more people more often is de facto good i've heard it described that evil is that which believes itself to be good without exception. i think i'm starting to agree...

“Good” for their bottom line, not for the people.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by pocksuppet »

reaperducer wrote: post #131
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you use your work machine at Facebook for dissent, you don't deserve a tech-adjacent job.

In most developed countries, dissent in the workplace is protected by labor laws.

In most developed countries, the workplace punishes it anyway, because they can and it's hard to get the law enforced.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by IAmBroom »

le-mark wrote: post #469
beloch wrote: post #101

For those saying that this is fine because company computers are company property... This is like going to work in a drug-lab where everyone is required to strip naked to ensure no "product" can be smuggled out. It's a zero trust environment at first blush, with the added terror of it being used to replace you with AI. People working naked in a drug lab have more job security than meta employees and an equivalent lev…

> This is like going to work in a drug-lab where everyone is required to strip naked to ensure no "product" can be smuggled out. I believe this has been the reality of diamond mining.

Which has also long been associated with inhumane labor practices, including slavery.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by cindyllm »

wartywhoa23 wrote: post #467
Blackthorn wrote: post #169

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Couldn't have happened to a more deserving group of people. My irony detector is sparking so badly I think it's about to blow.

It always happens to the most deserving group of people before it happens to you, and then there's no one to voice any concerns about your own fate, because they all got what you supposed they deserved. TL;DR: The history of fascism and Nazism in the 1930s Europe.

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