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Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by LetsGetTechnicl »

dryarzeg wrote: post #457
LetsGetTechnicl wrote: post #440

I wish there was a better alternative for average users. It's easy to say, especially on HN, that using Linux or Windows LTSC is a way to avoid these issues (and I do.) Also, who is paying for Windows in 2026?

> Also, who is paying for Windows in 2026? Buyers of PCs, laptops and other devices with Windows pre-installed. I guess that the cost of the Windows licence is included in the price of each device.

That's true, I meant that as a reference to the article where they mentioned people paying $139 at retail for Windows. Which seems bonkers. Why would you do that.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by baal80spam »

dahcryn wrote: post #91
hu3 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

macOS sucks! you need a ton of third party tools and customizations to make it sane for basic things like window management. It's no better than Windows with regards of ammount of tweaking needed for power users. And it scans every executable and command run and sends a hash to motherbase. I don't know how people put up with this. There's probably some dangerous way to disable that like, let me guess, disabling SIP..…

you need a ton of third party tools to make it behave like Windows, that's what you mean. I'm perfectly happy with my "vanilla" macbook. Runs Baldurs Gate 3 and my final fantasy ps2 emulator just fine, and even trackmania was quite easy to get installed and runs well. Can't comment on that hash thing, but I don't see why that would be a problem? It's not linked to your name or something. Windows does a ton of things…

> you need a ton of third party tools to make it behave like Windows, that's what you mean.

100% this.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by baal80spam »

9dev wrote: post #49
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #41

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I don't know what that first one means. You mean the glass design? Yeah, spotlight has been rough for years, I grant you that. I haven't seen a single ad in my system. Where do you see them?

You're probably an iCloud services user. Try a Mac without an iCloud account - it's nagging you pretty heavily to set it up, get an iCloud+ subscription, use TV and Music and Game Center subscriptions, and so on.

> You're probably an iCloud services user.

I don't even know what iCloud is, and I have seen zero ads. I don't understand such comments.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by JollySharp0 »

ccppurcell wrote: post #152

I believe they are abusing their customers but I think it's in poor taste to compare this to domestic violence.

The title is supposed to be provocative and hyperbolic. Much of what is provocative and hyperbolic could be considered to be in poor taste, that is the entire point.

The guy is an ex-Darknet Vendor and regularly interacts still with people that build ransomware, hack the US government, sell online drugs and he is quite pleasant compared to these people.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by xp84 »

deaux wrote: post #416
nicoburns wrote: post #380

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> I think the only way this gets better for consumers is if customer response more often insisted further roll backs than just the last straw if a company crosses the line. I think consumers have little power here. Our economic system fundamentally chooses to reward such behaviour. Until we change that, the power will always be with these kind of companies. Perhaps governments could levy punative fines in such situat…

None of those. All we need is enforcing laws that are already on the books. Antitrust laws. Break up big tech.

Idk. Our antitrust laws present a high burden of proof and so much subjectivity. The question “Are customers really being hurt?” has to be argued in court (and then argued on appeal at like 3 levels). I think it harms our whole market system, and arguably even harms the capitalist system, to have players with so much power, and the antitrust laws are focused narrowly on proving specific harm mainly in the area of pricing, which isn’t the whole picture.

Too many markets are utterly dominated by one or two big players. I know it’s a tricky problem because market share is hard to define (Does Amazon have 80% share of e-commerce? Or 30% share of all retail?) but I think we would be better off if there were a more aggressive set of rules about anti-competitive behavior that automatically applied to these huge firms, which didn’t rely so much on subjective judgment.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by user_7832 »

user_7832 wrote: post #340
mapotofu wrote: post #264

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I also appreciate the callout but don’t believe it’s in bad taste. There are enough analogs, and it makes you question the type of people who run the companies and make the decisions. In MSFTs case, Bill Gates was an associate with a known pedophile and likely an abuser himself. I completely understand it being triggering but shying away from it because of that protects perpetrators. A lot of executive circles are fi…

I'm willing to bet very good money that windows forcing an update somewhere has led to things that has killed someone.

Damn, really, 2 downvotes? Do you guys think what I said is wrong (or irrelevant or something)?

I'll be happy to correct myself if I said anything wrong, but downvotes without comments really don't tell me much.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by xp84 »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #393
nicoburns wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think the only way this gets better for consumers is if customer response more often insisted further roll backs than just the last straw if a company crosses the line. I think consumers have little power here. Our economic system fundamentally chooses to reward such behaviour. Until we change that, the power will always be with these kind of companies. Perhaps governments could levy punative fines in such situat…

> I think consumers have little power here. Our economic system fundamentally chooses to reward such behaviour. Consumers have the final say, our economic system fundamentally is consumer spending. (Ok, save for most recent year(s) of mag7 AI buildout. But generally that's the case for USA economy). We have to stop taking out our wallet and just accepting things like sheep. (nearly) Every one of the "scrapped" comput…

Sort of related, I think this is why big tech loves “free, ad-supported” so much. Using Google search or YouTube or ChatGPT or Fortnite doesn’t seem like an action that is “supporting a company.” When none of the money comes from your pocket, you don’t really feel like you’re making an important choice to patronize one business or another.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by alex_duf »

hu3 wrote: post #78
alex_duf wrote: post #65

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I've installed linux (debian LTS with XFCE) on my mom's computer and she recently called me to thank me. She says her computer is much quieter now (meaning fewer notifications). She only needs a web browser and a text editor. So you're right, it's great for power users, it's also great for other users.

I fucking love XFCE! And have more than a decade of mileage with it.

right? windows 98 ergonomics (that's NOT sarcasm) with more customisation and not trying to re-invent the wheel every month.

I'm a gnome user myself, I do enjoy the year on year refinement they have going there, but I completely understand and respect the XFCE crowd.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by cindyllm »

JollySharp0 wrote: post #474
ccppurcell wrote: post #152

I believe they are abusing their customers but I think it's in poor taste to compare this to domestic violence.

The title is supposed to be provocative and hyperbolic. Much of what is provocative and hyperbolic could be considered to be in poor taste, that is the entire point. The guy is an ex-Darknet Vendor and regularly interacts still with people that build ransomware, hack the US government, sell online drugs and he is quite pleasant compared to these people.

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