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Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by JV00 »

wooger wrote: post #399
JV00 wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they have too many free users that will always remain on the free plan, as they are the "default" LLM for people who don't care much, and that is a enormous cost. Also the capabilities of their paid tiers are well known to enough people that they can rely on word of mouth and don't need to demo to customers-to-be

They're not more default than people innocently googling something and getting an AI response from some form of Gemini.

Right, but that form of Gemini is also not the top Gemini model with high thinking budget that you would get to use with a subscription, the response is probably generate with Gemini Flash and low thinking.

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by podgietaru »

fhennig wrote: post #400

IMO this is a great example of how we're often asking loaded questions without realizing it. IMO it's the same when we're asking: "Should I implement X from scratch, or import a small library to do it?" vs "Should I add feature X to the codebase or bring in another dependency for it?" In the first question, it sounds like a good idea to not reinvent the wheel, in the second it sounds bad to have dependency.

My experience with Chatbots outside of a coding context also ends up like this.

A while ago I asked:

Is "Read more" an appropriate project for the Getting things done framework? - The answer, yes, it was.

Then I asked "Is Read More too big of a project to be appropriate for the GTD Framework" - The answer? Yes, it was far too big.

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by tlogan »

j_maffe wrote: post #179
clktmr wrote: post #153

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At least try a different question with similar logic, to ensure this isn't patched into the context since it's going viral.

You can't "patch" LLM's in 4 hours and this is not the kind of question to trigger a web search

This has been viral on Tiktok far at least one week. Not really 4 hours.

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by MadxX79 »

I don't understand peoples problem with this! Now everyone is going to discuss this on the internet, it will be scraped by the AI company web crawlers, and the replies goes into training the next model... and it will never make this _particular_ problem again, solving the problem ONCE AND FOR ALL!

"but..." you say?

ONCE AND FOR ALL!

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by ohyoutravel »

tgv wrote: post #381
jstummbillig wrote: post #147

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> so you need to tell them the specifics That is the entire point, right? Us having to specify things that we would never specify when talking to a human. You would not start with "The car is functional. The tank is filled with gas. I have my keys." As soon as we are required to do that for the model to any extend that is a problem and not a detail (regardless that those of us, who are familiar with the matter, do bu…

> Us having to specify things that we would never specify This is known, since 1969, as the frame problem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_problem . An LLM's grasp of this is limited by its corpora, of course, and I don't think much of that covers this problem, since it's not required for human-to-human communication.

A modern LLMs corpora is every piece of human writing ever produced.

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Post by hmage »

Tenemo wrote: post #257

I tested the latest flagship reasoning models (so the only models I use outside of coding for general questions): - Opus 4.6 (Extended thinking): "Drive it! The whole point is to get the car to the car wash — you can't wash it if it's still in your driveway." - Gemini Pro Deep Think: "You should definitely drive. Even though 50 meters is a very short distance, if you walk, your car will stay where it is—and it's pret…

It's surprising how many people are either unaware or dismissive of 5.2 Pro's capabilities.

Too bad it's $200/mo, wish it was $0/mo.

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Post by ZaoLahma »

jstummbillig wrote: post #147
prasoonds wrote: post #46

I've used LLMs enough that I have a good sense of their _edges_ of intelligence. I had assumed that reasoning models should easily be able to answer this correctly. And indeed, Sonnet and Opus 4.5 (medium reasoning) say the following: Sonnet: Drive - you need to bring your car to the car wash to get it washed! Opus: You'll need to drive — you have to bring the car to the car wash to get it washed! Gemini 3 Pro (mediu…

> so you need to tell them the specifics That is the entire point, right? Us having to specify things that we would never specify when talking to a human. You would not start with "The car is functional. The tank is filled with gas. I have my keys." As soon as we are required to do that for the model to any extend that is a problem and not a detail (regardless that those of us, who are familiar with the matter, do bu…

This reminds me of the "if you were entirely blind, how would you tell someone that you want something to drink"-gag, where some people start gesturing rather than... just talking.

I bet a not insignificant portion of the population would tell the person to walk.

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by [deleted] »

prasoonds wrote: post #46

I've used LLMs enough that I have a good sense of their _edges_ of intelligence. I had assumed that reasoning models should easily be able to answer this correctly. And indeed, Sonnet and Opus 4.5 (medium reasoning) say the following: Sonnet: Drive - you need to bring your car to the car wash to get it washed! Opus: You'll need to drive — you have to bring the car to the car wash to get it washed! Gemini 3 Pro (mediu…

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Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by [deleted] »

throwuxiytayq wrote: post #305
nroets wrote: post #229

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You can pattern match on the prompt (input) then (a) stuff the context with helpful hints to the LLM e.g. "Remember that a car is too heavy for a person to carry" or (b) upgrade to "thinking".

Yes, I’m sure that’s what engineers at Google are doing all day. That, and maintaining the moon landing conspiracy.

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Post by simonw »

notahacker wrote: post #210
viking123 wrote: post #117

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Lmao, and this is what they are saying will be an AGI in 6 months?

There's probably a comedy film with an AGI attempting to take over the world with its advanced grasp of strategy, persuasion and SAT tests whilst a bunch of kids confuse it by asking it fiendish brainteasers about carwashes and the number of rs in blackberry. (The final scene involves our plucky escapees swimming across a river to escape. The AIbot conjures up a speedboat through sheer powers of deduction, but then j…

In the excellent and underrated The Mitchells vs the Machines there's a running joke with a pug dog that sends the evil robots into a loop because they can't decide if it's a dog, a pig or a loaf of bread.
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