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I'm not worried about AI job loss

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Post by coffeebeqn »

stephenpontes wrote: post #27
trilogic wrote: post #20

You are not worrried for one of the 2 reasons: 1 You are not affected somehow (you got savings, connections, not living paycheck to paycheck, and have food on the table). 2 You prefer to persue no troubles in matters of complexity. Time will tell, is showing it already.

Agree. I feel like most of the people sounding the alarm have been in the software-focused job hunting market for 6+ months. Those who downplay it are either business owners themselves or have been employed for 2+ years. I think a lot of software engineers who _haven't_ looked for jobs in the past few years don't quite realize what the current market feels like.

In Europe it doesn’t seem too bad right now (for the 15+ yr cohort?). I interviewed at a handful of places and got an offer or two and my current team and company is hiring about the same as the last few years

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password54321 wrote: post #470
Bender wrote: post #462

I think there is an aspect of this people may be missing. Companies are dropping entry level jobs for AI. Should that continue there will eventually not be humans in what was the first few tiers of a job role. AI only exists because the military needs are propping it up. Civilians are always the first to beta test and refine military services. Should the military not find AI to be as useful as their were sold it will…

>AI only exists because the military needs are propping it up AI already serves as a surveillance tool and is being used by Palantir.

AI already serves as a surveillance tool and is being used by Palantir.

Agreed but the actual funding is primarily for military use. Palantir would not be able to fund all these data-centers by themselves. They are secondary beneficiaries.

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Post by zthrowaway »

fragmede wrote: post #397
suzzer99 wrote: post #128

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As long as the owner class can leverage, "Hey, that {out group} is sitting around doing nothing and getting free money!" we'll never have anything close to UBI imo.

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Historically speaking, you don’t get kicked out of the communist club, they just kill you.

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Post by coffeebeqn »

small_model wrote: post #218
contagiousflow wrote: post #38

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Alternatively: this is an America problem. I'm outside of America and I've been fielding more interviews than ever in the past 3 months. YMMV but the leading indicator of slowed down hiring can come from so many things. Including companies just waiting to see how much LLMs affect SWE positions.

It's from AI either directly or indirectly, either the top SWE's using AI are replacing 10 mid/juniors or your job is outsourced to someone doing it at half your Salary with a AI subscription. Only the top/lucky/connected SWE's will survive a year or two, if you have used any SOTA agent recently or looked at the job market you would have seen this coming and had a plan B/C in place, i.e. Enough capital to generate pa…

I guess I just don’t see that happening right now. I’m at a big public startup and our hiring hasn’t changed much and we still have a ton of work and Claude code with SOTA models can shortcut some tasks but I’m still having a hard time saying it’s giving us much of a multiplier. Even with plenty of .MDs describing what we want. It can ad-lib some of the stuff but it’s not AGI yet. In 5-10 years I have no idea

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Post by coffeebeqn »

lbrito wrote: post #83
pfisch wrote: post #35

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Are you ever concerned about the consequences of what you are making? No one really knows how this will play out and the odds of this leading to disaster are significant. I just don't understand people working on improving ai. It just isn't worth the risk.

>I just don't understand people working on improving ai. It just isn't worth the risk. A cynical/accelerationist perspective would be: it enables you to rake in huge amounts of money, so no matter what comes next, you will be set up to endure it better than most.

Unless the AGI starts a new monetary instrument or something

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Post by coffeebeqn »

simonw wrote: post #4

I read that essay on Twitter the other day and thought that it was a mildly interesting expression of one end of the "AI is coming for our jobs" thing but a little slop-adjacent and not worth sharing further. And it's now at 80 million views! https://x.com/mattshumer_/status/2021256989876109403 It appears to have really caught the zeitgeist.

It’s possible that all this will come to pass but honestly AI being able to do most of white collar work means we have reached AGI or baby AGI. The changes that will bring are for me totally unprojectable

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Post by Sammi »

kungito wrote: post #465
mcv wrote: post #460

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This is exactly why I'm not that worried. I've noticed that AI is great at the parts of software engineering that I'm bad at, like implementing a new unfamiliar library, deploy pipelines, infra configuration, knowing specific technical details and standard patterns. It's bad at the stuff I'm good at: thinking about the wider context, architecture, how to structure the code in an elegant, maintainable way, debugging c…

one reason why i started enjoying programming less and less was because i felt i was spending 95% of the time on the problems you described which i felt were more or less the same over the years and werent complicated but annoying. unfortunately or fortunately, after coding for over 15 years for the past 4 months ive only been prompting and reading the outputted code. it never really feels like writing something woul…

This is also my experience. I am personally really happy about it. I never cared about the typing part of programming. I got into programming for the thinking about hard problems part. I now think hard more than ever. It's hard work, but it feels much more fulfilling to me.

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Post by shaky-carrousel »

jackfranklyn wrote: post #248

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That would happen if the AI were good and consistent at doing the mechanical part. Which it is, sometimes.

I've found it's better to have the bot write a program to do the mechanical part that trusting it not to have a lazy day.

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