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Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by fph »

xp84 wrote: post #194
Gigachad wrote: post #82

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The long term solution would have to be some kind of integration with a government platform where the platform doesn’t see your ID and the government doesn’t see what you are signing up for. I don’t this will happen in the US but I can see it in more privacy responding countries. Apple and Google may also add some kind of “child flag” parents can enable which tells websites and apps this user is a child and all age c…

I do like the idea of the “this is a child” taint (ok, terrible name but I really think it should be a near-unremovable thing on a platform like Apple’s that’s so locked down/crypto signed etc). Like, you’d enroll it by adding a DOB and the computer/phone/etc would just intentionally fail all compatible age checks until that date is 18 years in the past. To remove it (e.g. reuse a device for a non-child), an adult wo…

Exactly, that's the problem: with OIDC the ID provider gets to know which sites you visit. That is unavoidable given how the protocol works. And you don't want to give all that information to the government in the first place.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by dark-star »

LadyCailin wrote: post #334
varun_ch wrote: post #81

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Unfortunately I wouldn’t be so sure that there aren’t any 7 year old Discord users

7 year olds with a credit card?

to be fair, you don't need a credit card to create a Discord account. And yes, I don't think there are ZERO seven-year-olds on Discord. I just think the number is pretty dang small

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by k33n »

tbrownaw wrote: post #240
k33n wrote: post #127

Age verification itself isn't such a bad thing. I feel most people are more angry about having to verify their actual identity. Every ad provider knows your address and complete identity every time you log into anything though. I guess its the illusion of anonymity that's so popular.

Age verification is an excuse for identity checking.

I remember when people who used this site were rational experts. The emotional outbursts here are a bit disappointing.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by nvesp »

miki123211 wrote: post #327
tuoret wrote: post #287

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In the early 2000s, the biggest social media (though we didn't call it that back then) in Finland was IRC-Galleria (IRC-Gallery). It was originally made for IRC users to upload pictures of themselves and see what fellow IRCers looked like. You'd create a profile, add pictures and tag which channels/servers you were on. Since there were no other websites like that back then, it was eventually overrun by non-IRC-users…

It's weird how different and hyper-local the social media landscape was back then. It's not just that every country had their own thing, it's also that they were all very different concepts and ideas. Poland's social media of choice was "Nasza Klasa" (lit. "Our Class"), the American alternative was called "Classmates" as far as I know. It was intended as a service that let you re-unite with your old classmates, desig…

Most of my local friends here in the united states were really into LiveJournal and Xanga for a couple years before myspace went live. That might have been more the younger crowds scene though.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by leetbulb »

manuelmoreale wrote: post #382
bregma wrote: post #376

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The difference is the internet is forever. A one-time unrecorded transaction like showing your ID at the bar is not. It is a false equivalence. Not only is the internet forever, but what is on it grows like a cancer and gets aggregated, sold, bundled, cross-linked with red yarn, multiplied, and multiplexed. Why would you ever want cancer?

> It is a false equivalence It's a false equivalence only if you decide to equate the two. My question wasn't worded that way. I'm curious to know if someone who oppose this type of laws is also for or against other laws that are dealing with similar issues in other contexts. Also, as I said in another post, there are plenty of places, online, where you have to identify yourself. So this is already happening. But aga…

Personally, I am pro-both. Even if it helps a single child not fall in to a bad situation, it's worth the many other cons that come with it. I believe that the original concept had good intent, then flowed through a monetization process before delivery.. If our weird reality eventually balances out, at least we'll have this on our side. People > Money.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by rmunn »

RupertSalt wrote: post #260
rmunn wrote: post #243

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There are many websites that believe I was born on January 1st, in a year close to my actual birth year. When it's actually required by some law or regulation (e.g. financial stuff) I give my actual birthday. But when some site is just wanting to comply with age verification? Yep, I'm over 30, so you don't need to see my identification. (Jedi hand wave).

Well, they would have the legal right to force-choke your account, or chain your partner to a golden bikini, when they discover that you weren't abiding by the Terms and Conditions which you agreed to. Seems fair.

Abide by the Terms and Conditions? You must think I'm some sort of good Force user!

"I am altering the deal. Pray I do not alter it any further."

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by Barrin92 »

Eisenstein wrote: post #335
Barrin92 wrote: post #192

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sorry but the source for the wave of discontent is... a new york times op-ed on kids with flip phones? How many of them are there? I think universalizing is appropriate because unlike previous generations there isn't even a meaningful counter-culture. Even the luddites in all likelihood get more traction as a story on Instagram than the actual thing, where do you think they go to get their cottage core fix? I haven't…

If they are removing themselves from the places you would normally look for people, how do you plan to find them? Why would they go anywhere you are going? They don't want to hang out with angry middle aged guys.

>how do you plan to find them?

I don't, but I'd expect there to be a hole where they used to be and I haven't seen one, or any concern from the platforms whose income and future depends on those users. So I'd probably shelf that as yet another exodus story that did in fact not happen

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by Eisenstein »

Barrin92 wrote: post #477
Eisenstein wrote: post #335

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If they are removing themselves from the places you would normally look for people, how do you plan to find them? Why would they go anywhere you are going? They don't want to hang out with angry middle aged guys.

>how do you plan to find them? I don't, but I'd expect there to be a hole where they used to be and I haven't seen one, or any concern from the platforms whose income and future depends on those users. So I'd probably shelf that as yet another exodus story that did in fact not happen

Well, if they do exist, that is probably the optimal situation in their eyes.

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Post by efreak »

carcabob wrote: post #29
arcologies1985 wrote: post #21

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They can't feasibly do this in the US since many people don't have drivers licenses or passports.

Those without driver's licenses or passports can get a state ID card instead, if I'm not mistaken. A pain, but an option.

It's actually not a pain. It's the same process as getting a driver's license, minus the test. You go into the DMV and wait in the same lines (at least in California; I have a CA state ID, not a license)

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by manuelmoreale »

devman0 wrote: post #449
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #315

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Actually there is, various age verification systems exist where the party asking for it does not need to process their ID, like the Dutch iDIN ( https://www.idin.nl/en/ ) that works not unlike a digital payment - the bank knows your identity and age, just like they know your account balance, and can sign off on that kind of thing just like a payment. I hope this becomes more widespread / standardized; the precursor f…

The privacy issue has two facets, when I show ID to get in to a club or buy alcohol, the entire interaction is transient, the merchant isn't keeping that information and the issuer of the credential doesn't know that happened (i.e. the government). Just allowing a service provider to receive a third party attestation that you "allowed" still allows the third party to track what you are doing even if the provider can'…

> Just allowing a service provider to receive a third party attestation that you "allowed" still allows the third party to track what you are doing even if the provider can't. That's still unacceptable from a privacy standpoint, I don't want the government, or agents thereof, knowing all the places I've had to show ID.

Isn't this solvable by allowing you to be the middle man? A service asks you to prove your age, you ask the government for a digital token that proves your age (and the only thing the government knows is that you have asked for a token) and you then deliver that to the service and they only know the government has certified that you are above a certain age.

The service gets a binary answer to their question. The government only knows you have asked for a token. Wouldn't a setup like that solve the issue you're talking about?

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