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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by Der_Einzige » Tue, Jan 27, 2026, 2:00 AM UTC

tempestn wrote: post #463

xp84 wrote: post #388

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> weaponized against us I take a more optimistic stance here. Trump can only live so long, and everybody except basically Trump and John Bolton knows that the majority of his idiotic tariffs (and nonsensical belligerence like pretending NATO control of Greenland doesn't meet all our defense needs) are wealth-destroying on net, as well as wealth-destroying for at least 10x the number of people than they help (many of…

It seems optimistic to me at this point that he could be replaced by a Republican not largely crafted in his image. It's possible, but I certainly wouldn't take it for granted.

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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by Der_Einzige » Tue, Jan 27, 2026, 2:02 AM UTC

xp84 wrote: post #458

ryandrake wrote: post #452

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Exactly. Trump is just a symptom. If he disappeared tomorrow, the people who elected him are still here, and they still want the same things: Belligerence, Cruelty, Isolationism, and lots of other terrible things. When Trump is no longer in the picture, they'll find a new candidate who offers this.

You don't have to convince every Trump voter. The margin who swung from Biden to Trump and elected Trump aren't all those things. They just don't want what the Dems were selling in 2024, specifically: the dems' adopted ideology surrounding gender, plus using race and gender to pick who gets jobs and into schools, rather than merit. If they removed just those two planks from the DNC platform, (1) Harris would have nev…

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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by carlosjobim » Tue, Jan 27, 2026, 2:06 AM UTC

softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

> When we piss everyone off in the EU

Companies are supposed to compete anyway, without having to get pissed off first.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by aussiegreenie » Tue, Jan 27, 2026, 2:10 AM UTC

Jit.si supports the EU privacy rules

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by everfrustrated » Tue, Jan 27, 2026, 2:12 AM UTC

retired wrote: post #368

skeletal88 wrote: post #351

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What was different between countries? For electronic products, it should be enough to get the CE mark on your product, and it can be sold in any country. That is the point of the EU, that any company can sell it's products or services in the whole union, there are regulations, but they are union wide, not specific for each country. Unless you were making something very special, that each country wants to and is allow…

If you sell products to all 27 EU members and sell above a certain threshold you will have to work with all 27 tax offices in regard to VAT. There is OSS for B2C but that comes with significant downsides. The US does not have that.

The US has state has county taxes. All with different thresholds of when you're required to collect and remit.

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Post by everfrustrated » Tue, Jan 27, 2026, 2:14 AM UTC

af78 wrote: post #394

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What was the last successful French software project in the Telecom or Conferencing space? This project has been forced into the hands of 40k users, but likely due to a plethora of bugs and user experience issues they are picking a date far in the future for broad deployment. Belledonne Communications has been actively breaking Linphone, conference calling broke back in August 2023 for example and remains broken to t…

CYCLADES ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYCLADES ) was influential in the design of important Internet concepts like the OSI model and TCP.

That'd be the same osi model which only is used by academics and nobody in the real world.

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Post by tick_tock_tick » Tue, Jan 27, 2026, 2:14 AM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #446

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #431

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They still don't have the capacity and I'm still betting they aren't going to build new ones.

They literally have an LNG export terminal that is operational today and shipping cargo. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45919580 (citations)

I've never argued with you that they can't export any oil of course they can. I'm simply stating they don't have the capacity to shit away from exporting to the USA nor do they plan to build said capacity. Maybe if Alberta's proposal actually gets fast tracked approval and isn't bogged down in a decade of court battles with environmental and indigenous groups and I'll consider changing my view.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by Xmd5a » Tue, Jan 27, 2026, 2:15 AM UTC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLODO

A Front for clandestine Operations? (Speculative Timeline)

- April 6 & 8, 1980: Sabotage and arson against Philips Data Systems and CII-Honeywell-Bull in Toulouse. Speculation: French State Operation. A move to protect national technological sovereignty during the "Plan Calcul" era.

- May 19, 1980: Arson attack on the archives of ICL (International Computers Limited) in Toulouse. Speculation: Continuation of the French State's "cleansing" of foreign influence.

- September 11, 1980 & December 2, 1980: Attacks against a computing firm in Toulouse and the UAP (Union des Assurances de Paris) in Paris. Speculation: American Operation? Possible retaliation or disruption of French administrative networks.

- January 28, 1983: Bombing of the new computer center at the Haute-Garonne Prefecture in Toulouse. Speculation: American Revenge. A direct hit against the French State's local administrative brain.

- October 26, 1983: Total destruction by fire of the Sperry Univac offices (a US multinational) in Toulouse. Speculation: French Revenge. A final "tit-for-tat" response targeting a key asset of the US military-industrial complex on French soil.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by ecshafer » Tue, Jan 27, 2026, 2:17 AM UTC

schubidubiduba wrote: post #433

oblio wrote: post #287

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> US: "stop killing innovation" EU: " more regulation" Have you ever stopped to think that maybe a large number of Europeans look at the lack of US regulation with disgust?

Honestly so often I take my EU consumer and worker rights for granted, only to hear that they simply don't exist for 90+% of Americans. Amd then I wonder how they even live over there.

In large houses with lots of land, multiple cars and lots of money.

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Post by carlosjobim » Tue, Jan 27, 2026, 2:20 AM UTC

monooso wrote: post #331

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Current admin has been on record for years saying the same thing. Warning EU about russia, warning EU about China, warning them about not innovating. I don't know if this was planned internally but it seems the way they figured out how to get EU to actually do something is to make it seem like big bad trump is going to hurt them. Current admin has gotten more out of EU than 20years of asking nicely. Before: US: "plea…

> I don't know if this was planned internally but it seems the way they figured out how to get EU to actually do something is to make it seem like big bad trump is going to hurt them. This is an interesting take. You appear to be suggesting that the US has the EU's best interests at heart. It ignores the fact that, on the rare occasion the Trump administration was not actively trying to undermine the EU, their "helpf…

> You appear to be suggesting that the US has the EU's best interests at heart.

The US might or might not have Europe's best interest at heart or the European peoples' best interest at heart. But certainly not the European Union's best interest.