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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by the_gastropod »

mc32 wrote: post #454
noah_buddy wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s very strange to go “why isn’t the left doing anything about this conflict when they cared so much about Palestine?” My government doesn’t fund Iran.

There have been protests in countries that do not “fund” Israel too, so it’s not about funding only. The protests have also been against the Israeli government so you’d anticipate at least protests against the Iranian government if not against one’s own government which they protest because of funding. But we don’t see those protests against the Iranian regime. It reminds me of US protestors protesting the removal of…

Most western countries already don’t do business with Iran. These are extremely different situations. The whataboutism is just bizarre.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by BeetleB »

geraneum wrote: post #232
rayiner wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The “Iranians that you work with” in the west are highly self-selecting. They’re like Cubans in Florida or Vietnamese—people who fled in the aftermath of the revolution and are extremely antagonistic towards the regime. My family left Bangladesh the year after the dictator made Islam the official religion. My dad is apoplectic about the Islamist parties being unbanned recently after the government was overthrown. By…

> people who fled in the aftermath of the revolution and are extremely antagonistic towards the regime Iranian who left Iran here. Do you have stats or reference for this critical piece of information? It’s as if someone’s says, since Bangladesh is predominantly muslim, the majority aligns with what the Islamic regime does for ideological reasons and would try to undermine the account of atrocities. But one shouldn’t…

I agree that actual studies would be good.

All I can do is throw my anecdotes into the pool: I mostly have met two types of Iranians: Those that fled in the 80's post-revolution, and those that come to the US for university (90's, 00's, and 10's).

All of them have been anti-regime.

I have met a few that came for other reasons (not education and not the 80's stock). Yes, those are either pro-regime or neutral.

My guess is that what rayiner says is correct: The majority of the Iranian diaspora in the US is self selecting and not representative of the full population.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by germandiago »

mrtksn wrote: post #461
sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

> It’s a shame that all those activist that would shred themselves for Palestine are absolutely quite about Iran That's not a fair position, those people don't have the duty to make every wrong right. As an Iranian expat how much of your time and money did you invest in fixing Iran? Apparently there are 2 million Iranians in US and just over a million in Europe and a million more in the rest of the world. What did th…

I am not sure if they are asking them to more or less suicide when they go meet their relatives.

I know iranians in Spain, my country. It is lilely they are not perfectly organized but everyone deserves a life as normal as ours.

I support the fact that he comes here to disclose some more information if possible.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by FatalLogic »

lucasRW wrote: post #328

The silence of MSM (particularly the BBC) is eye-opening.

>The silence of MSM (particularly the BBC) is eye-opening.

Daily reports from the BBC, and the rate of them is increasing

https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/cjnwl8q4ggwt

Some of the headlines-

New Iran videos show bodies piled in hospital and snipers on roofs

'I saw people getting shot': Eyewitness tells of Iran protest crackdown An Iranian who got out of the country describes scenes of chaos as security forces opened fire in her home town.

Photos leaked to BBC show faces of hundreds killed in Iran's brutal protest crackdown

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by epsters »

sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

Don't know about who exactly are the 'leftists' you are referring to but here's my take :

Palestine : Dont send bombs. Send Aid. Lift blockade so Palestinians dont suffer.

Iran : Dont send bombs. Send Aid. Lift sanctions so Iranian people dont suffer.

Interested to hear your take regarding the same.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by dorian-graph »

justonceokay wrote: post #407
sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

lol @ “west/israel/free market”. I think you have an aliasing bug. Why would leftists (or anyone) be confused who the bad guy is here? Generally as a rule of thumb for international conflict you can count on the left to be on the side of the underdog, no matter how naive a view that may be in a given circumstance.

> Why would leftists (or anyone) be confused who the bad guy is here?

Because there are literally pro-Palestine protests that have supporters of Iran's supreme leader[1].

I've seen a lot of comments and sentiment from leftists in support of Iran.

What bug(s) do you have, that you didn't know this?

[1]: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-04/international-reactio...

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Post by germandiago »

diego_moita wrote: post #459
sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

I disagree. There are deeper aspects in this tragedy. I don't want to be called "leftist" because I don't want to belong to any tribe. But I do embrace a lot of the humanist ideals of the so called "progressives" and I think they might have some moral ground in here. But feel free to call me whatever you want. In my perspective, the oppression in Iran is different from what is going on in Gaza. It is more like what h…

> a lot of the humanist ideals of the so called "progressives"

To the best of my knowledge this is not progressive but christian in origin in our westerner societies... never mind you are not a christian. In the west it has been like that historically.

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Post by tinco »

FilosofumRex wrote: post #382
tinco wrote: post #224

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Depends on what you want to hear. The Iranian family in my neighborhood whose father was a doctor fled after Islamist police cut their daughter to pieces in their own home for dressing inappropriately. That's the sort of non headscarf wearing Iranian elite you'll find with an opinion critical of the current regime. I don't know about ostentatious clothing.

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There was no need for the 15 year old boy who told me this traumatic story of how his sister was killed in his own house to make that story up, because just the fact that they're a liberal family coming from Iran would have been enough information for them to get a visa to stay in The Netherlands based on political persecution.

This happened during Clinton, if you're counting history in US presidencies. And also it doesn't even matter if their sister really was killed. Islamic regimes like the one in Iran are despicable, and would have been even they didn't support goons killing girls for dumb religious regions.

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Post by vasco »

noah_buddy wrote: post #426
sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

It’s very strange to go “why isn’t the left doing anything about this conflict when they cared so much about Palestine?” My government doesn’t fund Iran.

In the simplest ways also, to "fix" the situation in Iran, potentially a war has to start.

To "fix" the situation in Palestine, a war has to stop.

That's inherently very different.

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