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I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by Rebelgecko »

a_wild_dandan wrote: post #101
emtel wrote: post #80

Pods work great for me, and I love not having crumbs of powder under the sink, or a bottle of liquid detergent with encrusted drips down the side. It's just gross. They are more expensive, but I buy them on sale at Costco for about $16/100, so at $0.16 per load I really don't care if powdered detergent is only $0.03 per load or whatever. There is clearly a revealed preference for pods among consumers for these things…

His specific thesis is that pods fundamentally clean worse than powder because they're inherently single-stage releases of detergent in machines designed for two-stage releases. Despite this, he still explicitly says that pods have their uses. So I'm unclear on how his goal is "proving that everyone is wrong." Did we watch different videos?

I think the main advantage of pods is accessibility

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by nrlucas »

I would really like this content to be an essay, not a story. Or I should say, the narrative feels like an essay but it turns out not to be.

Namely, (spoiler) he finds some schematics in the door that would have informed his analysis prior. The fact he didn't just say, "hey you might have this in your door and could be helpful,..." And then proceed to do the analysis with the full information provided from the data.

Secondly, the purging test only compares hot water and "cold" water, and doesn't actually test the duration to get hot water to temperature. That is, is the 25s it takes to get up to temp matter? From the timings in the video it does, but it just felt like he was comparing purging and not, instead of hot water vs cold water.

Thirdly, hows do these advice change for newer models? Surely the dishwasher companies know some of this and can make things better.

I will be taking some of this practices to my dishwasher, but it is a newer Bosch model, and I would imagine I need to do some research to understand what is applicable to my dishwasher.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by 1718627440 »

tguvot wrote: post #461
1718627440 wrote: post #452

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That's not my experience. When I use pods, I need to fiddle them out of the (small) box, remove the "self-dissolvable" plastic, open the bin, put it in, close it and put the pod into the dishwasher. With powder, I take the pot out, hold it over the dishwasher (no risk of putting powder on the floor) and put some in the dishwasher, with the custom spoon, that has exactly the right size, by moving my hand a few centime…

a) get a bigger box for storage b) why remove self dissolvable plastic ? in 15 years the only time that it didn't dissolve for me was when i blocked dispenser with a plat and pod was stuck on it

a) That's the box, the pods are bought in. I think the point of pods, is that you don't need to "manage" your own storage, when I want to that, I can also use powder.

b) What do you think this dissolves to? Microplastic. The thing we currently have a hard time keeping out of our water reservoirs, rivers, and oceans. Where does it end up? In the (waste) water. Nice.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by NamTaf »

bcraven wrote: post #27
NamTaf wrote: post #15

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I, too, went through like 18 months in the UK with the big stores not selling any until one reintroduced it recently. Alternatives on the internet were like 3+x the price, at least. It was incredibly frustrating. I now stock up and have 2-3 boxes of the stuff, in case it does vanish again. Doubly frustrating since mine is a small, single-drawer dishwasher, so pods are even worse since I can't break them down. It lead…

The big Sainsbury's near me never stopped doing this: https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/sainsburys-conce... And this has worked for me too: https://www.waitrose.com/ecom/products/essential-dishwasher-...

That Sainsburys one is the one I have now but it wasn't showing up on its website for the longest time. Thankfully, that changed.

I did find the Waitrose one and it was going to be my next buy, but my local didn't have it and I never got around to ordering it before Sainsburys came back in stock. Interesting that it's now cheaper, maybe I'll check again...

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by Rebelgecko »

bombcar wrote: post #195
redundantly wrote: post #158

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My kids would routinely put in too much powder, which would gunk up the dispensing mechanism, requiring my time and effort to clean it out and fix it. Eventually the dispenser broke entirely and had to be replaced. We since switched to pods and haven't had any problems with the dispenser. The pods are worth every extra cent.

I just want a dishwasher and washing machine that I can load with gallons of soap once a month or whatever, and let it do the detail work for me. I know they exist in the commercial realm, but I'm not 100% certain the wife is ready for a Hobart machine in the kitchen ...

Samsung has some that do this, but their appliances have some other big downsides

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by vasco »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #454
vasco wrote: post #264

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The whole point of getting a dishwasher is to not think about any of this though, for me.

That's rather odd? The whole point of a dishwasher, I assume, is to save a lot of time and water, and then to get clean dishes. There's nothing unusual at all about spending a bit of time to learn how to use a tool to save time later, like learning an IDE or what have you. Of course, if you're already getting clean dishes then I suppose no further tool learning is needed for you.

My brother the dishwasher could use up 10x more water and 99% of people would still use it. Nobody buys a dishwasher to save water. That you position it like that gives me little confidence in the rest of the analysis.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by seec »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #287
losvedir wrote: post #83

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This has been his stance for a long time. He has a lot of dishwasher videos for some reason! One thing I can't get a good answer to is whether the "prewash" step is universally the case or not. I have a good Bosch dishwasher and there's no compartment for a bit of pre-wash detergent. I don't even know if my dishwasher cycle has a pre-wash step. I would assume the dishwasher manufacturer knows what's best. The owner's…

I have a previous generation Bosch 500 series dishwasher. For my use case I get the best results with the heavy cycle. However I found that adding loose detergent in there for the "prewash" resulted in soapy residue being left on the dishes if used in conjunction with the heavy cycle (but not with the normal and auto cycles). Alec's dishwasher videos are based on some rather primitive dishwashers. For instance he tal…

Yeah, I think one has to understand the man to really get something useful of what he says. He is kind of a cheap man and much of what he says really applies to low-end devices. Some expensive devices may have similar problems to the cheaper stuff but really if you buy a premium device you won't have many of the problem he talk about.

I know this type of person very well. They always have some reductionist approach to things, where for them, the expensive stuff is mostly marketing with added bells-and-whistles and largely works the same. My experience is that this isn't quite right. Some brands do have a premium that is more related to style/status but if you buy some seriously engineered stuff it will work much better most of the time.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #355
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #348

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Mind sharing the script? It's becoming a big problem to me: people send me links to "must watch videos" but neither the title nor description nor subchapter titles tell me what it actually is about. In this particular case, it's spending 40 minutes of my life on something that could be explained in 4 sentences.

The more common solution I've seen is asking the person sending the link for clarification.

"It won't be the same if I just tell you, you have to watch it" - my mom on the video of some fake MD selling his miraculous variant of vitamin C that cures everything from cancer to dementia.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by poutrathor »

alvah wrote: post #112
tmsh wrote: post #82

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Interestingly the Gemini summary is nowhere near as good. But when it is... how helpful will that be! So many things with a very good summary will save so much time / avoid having to dive into unless truly in need of the details. But the quality of the summary - and maybe the ability to expand it if slightly more details are required - and the low latency with that - are all super important. In that sense, AI can pot…

I summarise YT videos with Gemini all the time. You can easily control the length and depth of the summary & get it to focus on particular things etc, before investing time in watching it, only to find out it's promotional, superficial, clickbait, or some combination of all 3.

Does Gemini really does a good job at detecting promotional video ? For example, that one video discussed in this post is one huge promotion for his friend product but it is actually built in a way that clearly appeals to nerdy audience. The video boasts the rigorous testing, provides scientific explanations, nerdy jokes, etc. What Gemini says about that ?

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by matt-attack »

383toast wrote: post #2

summary: The creator argues that most dishwashers are designed to use a pre-wash dose and a main wash dose of detergent, a fundamental often ignored by single-dose pods, and presents independent ASTM testing confirming the new powder matches or exceeds the performance of a leading premium pod. The video also features a detailed demonstration using temperature logging and peanut butter to stress the importance of purg…

I never understood the requirement for having to preheat your pipes. The dishwasher has access to a hotline, and a drain. Why wouldn’t it just run the hot water for 60 seconds to ensure it has maximum heat. This would just be a software feature, and cost nothing on their part.

It seems so arcane for the operator to have to do this before running a cycle

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