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I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by a_wild_dandan »

emtel wrote: post #80

Pods work great for me, and I love not having crumbs of powder under the sink, or a bottle of liquid detergent with encrusted drips down the side. It's just gross. They are more expensive, but I buy them on sale at Costco for about $16/100, so at $0.16 per load I really don't care if powdered detergent is only $0.03 per load or whatever. There is clearly a revealed preference for pods among consumers for these things…

His specific thesis is that pods fundamentally clean worse than powder because they're inherently single-stage releases of detergent in machines designed for two-stage releases. Despite this, he still explicitly says that pods have their uses. So I'm unclear on how his goal is "proving that everyone is wrong." Did we watch different videos?

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by nixpulvis »

johnfn wrote: post #99
lurking_swe wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you have powder crumbs under your sink you might need to improve your technique. This reminds me of how some of my house guests will accidentally splash water all over the bathroom counter and even the mirror when they wash up in the morning. I don’t say anything, to be polite, but they clearly lack technique lol. This works for me: 0. store the dishwasher powder (box) under sink. 1. Open dishwasher door 2. grab b…

> if you have powder crumbs under your sink you might need to improve your technique. With a pod there is no technique to be improved. They just work, every single time.

Except if you get even a drop of water in the pod storage bin and they fuse together and you have to carefully rip them apart.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by orev »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #42

I watched the video, but may have missed this, but shouldn't the testing have shown that the powder was substantially better? Or did they not test the "putting some powder into the prewash" thing and so it was just "powder released all at once" vs "tablet released all at once". Even there I'd expect some mild improvement from the powder mixing more easily than a plastic wrapped tablet (though maybe if the content ins…

This is his (at least) third video on this. Your questions are answered in the earlier ones.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by orev »

jeffbee wrote: post #74

I was a long-time adherent of powder for all the reasons in the video. I used the Seventh Generation powder that is widely available, or once was. One day I couldn't find it, so I got Cascade Free & Clear Pods. I was completely blown away by how much better the pods work. And they work faster, too, because my dishwasher cycles are based on water clarity and they end sooner if the detergent is working faster. So I per…

Because the pods are so much more expensive, it means they make more money on them. There’s a very real incentive for the companies to intentionally reduce the performance of the powders just so they can sell more pods (as people notice the performance difference, they think it’s because powder is naturally inferior instead of being manipulated into being so).

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by ruraljuror »

johnfn wrote: post #99
lurking_swe wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you have powder crumbs under your sink you might need to improve your technique. This reminds me of how some of my house guests will accidentally splash water all over the bathroom counter and even the mirror when they wash up in the morning. I don’t say anything, to be polite, but they clearly lack technique lol. This works for me: 0. store the dishwasher powder (box) under sink. 1. Open dishwasher door 2. grab b…

> if you have powder crumbs under your sink you might need to improve your technique. With a pod there is no technique to be improved. They just work, every single time.

I have a bad habit of not fully drying my hands when retrieving pods. The pods all clump together if they get wet. This is one of the many reasons I prefer powder.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by barbazoo »

emtel wrote: post #80

Pods work great for me, and I love not having crumbs of powder under the sink, or a bottle of liquid detergent with encrusted drips down the side. It's just gross. They are more expensive, but I buy them on sale at Costco for about $16/100, so at $0.16 per load I really don't care if powdered detergent is only $0.03 per load or whatever. There is clearly a revealed preference for pods among consumers for these things…

I used an old container with a 3" lid and a handle, and fill it regularly with the cheap dishwasher powder that I buy in bulk. I put a whole in the screw on lid so I can just pour out the powder. 98% clean and much much cheaper than any pods and much better for the environment because the packaging is all paper.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by orev »

emtel wrote: post #80

Pods work great for me, and I love not having crumbs of powder under the sink, or a bottle of liquid detergent with encrusted drips down the side. It's just gross. They are more expensive, but I buy them on sale at Costco for about $16/100, so at $0.16 per load I really don't care if powdered detergent is only $0.03 per load or whatever. There is clearly a revealed preference for pods among consumers for these things…

With pods you can’t add some detergent to the prewash while adding the rest to the main wash cycle. That’s the thing that makes one of the biggest differences.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by doubled112 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #51
SchemaLoad wrote: post #29

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I feel like it's probably pointless. The dishwasher will be full of water before the hot water starts coming out the pipe. Depending on how far the dishwasher is from the water heater I guess.

In most kitchens I've seen, the dishwasher is pretty close to the sink. In fact the sink and the dishwasher often share a shut-off valve. So if you run the water at the sink until it's hot, then start the dishwasher, it will get hot water. Problem is, that most dishwashers have a prewash and a main wash. By the time the prewash is finished and the main wash starts, the water in the supply line will have cooled off qu…

Not just the shut off. My dishwasher's drain hose goes up into the sink's drain plumbing much higher than I would have thought.

This almost made a mess when the sink was clogged and the dishwasher tried to pump the water out but had nowhere to go.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by apsurd »

emtel wrote: post #80

Pods work great for me, and I love not having crumbs of powder under the sink, or a bottle of liquid detergent with encrusted drips down the side. It's just gross. They are more expensive, but I buy them on sale at Costco for about $16/100, so at $0.16 per load I really don't care if powdered detergent is only $0.03 per load or whatever. There is clearly a revealed preference for pods among consumers for these things…

I'm 1.5 minutes in and I already learned to purge cold water from the pipes before running the dishwasher. Assuming this is evidence based and true, I mean come on! Is it really so alarming to see someone deep dive hard and do the work to mass educate the public?

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by tguvot »

1718627440 wrote: post #69
tguvot wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pods are about convenience. exactly same reason that i got dishwasher with detergent cartridges and washing machine with build in container for detergent. but if we talk about powders, they can be very different with different performance. There are commercial powders (for restaurants and such where dishwashers run on very short cycles) that I afraid to put in my dishwasher and there are eco powders that are made fro…

How is fiddling a thing out of a box more convenient than putting a spoon in a box? I don't get that argument.

when i used pods, i had open box under counter. i could with literally closed eyes to take one and put it in machine without looking. using spoon involves more actions and there are chance that some of the powder will end up on floor/inside cabinet/etc.

now i use cartridge like this that is replaced once in 3 weeks https://www.mieleusa.com/c/powerdisk-automatic-dishwasher-de...

it's even more convenient.

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