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What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by advisedwang »

MontyCarloHall wrote: post #133

Genuinely curious: what concrete negative consequences are there from appearing in the background of other people’s photos/videos, in a full face mask no less? Is he afraid that someone will be able to identify him as engaging in a hobby that some people might be judgmental about, e.g. a potential employer finding the footage and concluding “this guy spends lots of time and money playing a children’s game; he’s clear…

There are A LOT of concrete reasons you might not want to be recorded at an airsoft event:

* Don't want to be ridiculed if you look silly (it is airsoft, after all)

* It's distracting to be videoed

* You have a stalker trying to find information about you

* Makes you feel pressure to put on make up and look "decent"

* Something you say might sound bad out of context and result in being ostracized or otherwise socially punished

* You might have a secret airsoft tactic or codes you don't want people to know about

* You don't want facial recognition trained on you

* You told someone you couldn't go to their party because you are sick and don't want to get caught lying

* etc etc

These aren't all huge issues, but they are reasonable.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by nmilo »

> I could, I suppose, ask each person that I see with a camera “would you mind not including me in anything you upload, please?”. And, since everyone with whom I’ve spoken at games, so far anyway, has been perfectly pleasant and friendly, I’d be hopeful that they would at least consider my request. I have not done this.

I feel like the reasonable place to start is here no? Why write this whole post when this would probably be easier?

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by mothballed »

wang_li wrote: post #440
mothballed wrote: post #136

I wonder what would happen if someone wore a T-shirt with an ITAR restricted weapons blueprint on it or something. Hypothetically it would be legal to display that in public in the US, but illegal to post it publicly facing for foreigners to access on the internet. Even if it were a gray area, the serious penalties would probably be enough to make someone want to blur it out.

ITAR was circumvented for PGP by publishing a book of the source code and exporting that. I fail to see how publishing a video would be different.

My understanding following Cody Wilson's lawsuit to publish gun plans online, which is a more recent case, did not follow that. He ended up having to follow ITAR export compliance, although he was allowed unlimited distribution to US nationals and granted an ITAR license that might let him export under the conditions of that license.

  On remand to the district court, and on the eve of changes to the federal export regulations, the U.S. State Department offered to settle the case, and on July 27, 2018, Defense Distributed accepted a license to publish its files along with a sum of almost $40,000.[6][7]
Nowadays you'll find most gun plans end up on odyssee or surreptitiously on github or something like that. If you go to high-profile 3d gun websites they will almost always point you to a decentralized server that the government can't go after.

It seems maybe they might allow you to export it, but you'd have to get a license first, even if they were required to issue it to you could take years of lawsuits that a youtuber probably will not pursue?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Distributed_v._United_...

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by irrational »

I have the same issue with board gamers. Now, admittedly it isn't as intrusive as audio/video uploads. But so many want to record the game along with the names of the players. When I request they don't use my actual name and just put Player A (or whatever) they look at me like I'm a weirdo. When did it become weird to want as little information about yourself to be online?

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Post by drewbeck »

jMyles wrote: post #460
callc wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basic human decency. Just as the author says: “Publishing someone’s photo online, without their consent, without another strong justification, just because they happen to be in view of one’s camera lens, feels wrong to me.” It doesn’t fall to the legal level, but a social rules level. People who obnoxiously recording people in public, even if 100% legal, and disregard the wishes and conform of others around them dese…

> Basic human decency. While I think we all agree that this is crucially important, for many of us the affront to decency is not the capture of photons that have previously bounced off someone's skin, but the very idea that that person has a claim to those photons in perpetuity. I think it's indecent to suggest that someone needs to avert their gaze (or in this case, their CMOS sensor) because I happen to be in the a…

The post here makes it explicit that that the issue is with posting that video, not capturing it.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by CobrastanJorji »

I think I'm sympathetic to both sides of this.

If my kid is on some fun Disney ride, and I take a short video of them, and also there are some other people in the background or also on the ride, I would still fee comfortable sharing the video. Well, I wouldn't, because I don't put videos of my kids online, but if I was comfortable doing that, I wouldn't feel deterred by the presence of others.

But also, if someone else takes a photo of my kids in public (or at Disney), I would feel somewhat uncomfortable about it, and I'd feel even more uncomfortable about finding that photo online.

I don't know how to square that, ethically. Sometimes I see posts on Reddit that go "hey, I was out at the beach, and I saw this couple proposing, and I got this amazing photo of it, does anyone know them so I can send them a copy," and I think "you just took one of the most important, intimate, private moments of this couple's life and posted it online without their permission," but it doesn't seem to upset anyone because the couple will look really great in the photo. Does that make a difference? I've got no answers for this, just questions.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by zahlman »

nmilo wrote: post #472

> I could, I suppose, ask each person that I see with a camera “would you mind not including me in anything you upload, please?”. And, since everyone with whom I’ve spoken at games, so far anyway, has been perfectly pleasant and friendly, I’d be hopeful that they would at least consider my request. I have not done this. I feel like the reasonable place to start is here no? Why write this whole post when this would pr…

> when this would probably be easier?

I don't think it would be. It sounds incredibly tedious in the long run.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by CobrastanJorji »

jedimastert wrote: post #188

Back in my day shakes first there were places where someone could do things that would normally be mildly embarrassing because they were in a supportive community. In this example, it could be playing pretend and possibly saying goofy things or falling over and tripping or getting your butt handed to you by someone half your age or something. When I was young, it would have been playing open mics as a teenager. I was…

One day somebody is going to run for President who had an extensively online youth and it's going to be wild.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by iagooar »

I would like to share an even more extrem version of this.

I come from a country that could be potentially affected by the Russian-Ukranian war.

A couple of years ago, the government presented a program for volunteers, consisting of a military crash-course over a weekend to get to know the basics. Military service is voluntary in my country, so I thought it might actually be a good idea to have had a rifle in my hand at least once. You never know.

So I decided to sign up and got a few documents to sign. One of them was explicit consent for the organizing party to use any pictures taken during the training in order to use it as promotional material. No opt-out possible.

You understand? They could take pictures of me during a voluntary training, and post them on Facebook or anywhere on the Internet!

I even sent them an email asking to clarify and if I could opt out. They refused and would not allow me to participate if I didn't accept.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by nkrisc »

> There has been no “put on this purple lanyard if you don’t want to be included in the public version of the video” rule, which I’ve seen work pretty well at conferences I have attended (even if it is opt-out rather than consent).

This bothers me. The default should be not including people, and instead offer lanyards (or whatever) who want to be included.

I know why it doesn’t work that way, though.

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