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Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by dttze »

alephnerd wrote: post #187
Buttons840 wrote: post #60

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> have been actively trying to develop a nuclear weapon program The US Director of National Intelligence testified to congress a few weeks ago that no US intelligence agency believes that Iran is developing a nuclear bomb, and that they believed Iran was at least 3 years away from having the ability to build a nuclear bomb even if they tried. What you are saying directly contradicts what US intelligence agencies have…

> US Director of National Intelligence The US Director of National Intelligence (Tulsi Gabbard) has a very public history of backing Assad and Iran during the Syrian Civil War, and any mention of the DNI without mentioning it's currently Tulsi Gabbard is clearly a bad faith discussion.

Explain how "backing" them has anything to do with what she said about the weapons. Dismissing her because of that is the bad faith.

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Post by dttze »

ben_w wrote: post #470
dttze wrote: post #469

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Just because most Christians are hypocrites that worship Mammon doesn't mean the Ayatollah is.

"Ayatollah" is more like "Bishop" in this analogy. Bishop of Rome doesn't like AI, news reports this, nothing changes.

To be frank, you are ignorant on the topic and should do more research. This isn't the Catholic Church; he is the supreme leader of Iran and the commander in chief of their military. What he says goes.

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Post by trw55 »

zecg wrote: post #429
mgraczyk wrote: post #298

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Is there any evidence Meta has ever intentionally lied about anything? Like do you have any examples?

I recommend "Careless People" by Sarah Wynn-Something

Read that book in two days. Wild stuff. Of course I don't absolve Sarah Wynn for of her responsibility that is Facebook and it's completely maliciously run company. She is also complicit I don't care how many "I was trying to do the right thing! Whaa!" she sprinkled throughout the book.

The fact that they successfully got the book removed from sale for a while speaks volumes. They not only lie they are encouraged to.

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Post by tkel »

34679 wrote: post #434
monero-xmr wrote: post #132

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I had a coworker from Iran and he said every single computer just runs the same cracked Windows XP version translated into Farsi. Easy to exploit

And you believed them? You think a country with almost 100 million people only have a single cracked version of Win XP to use as their OS?

The willingness for people in the US to believe absurd lies about other countries correlates with its status as an official "enemy" or "ally" of the US government. Just like how the evidentiary standard around reporting on North Korea approaches zero. Americans will believe any absurd thing without evidence, and the media will shamelessly reprint official narratives, hearsay, and endless propaganda.

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Post by jfengel »

porridgeraisin wrote: post #333
jfengel wrote: post #115

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I am not an expert in the language or the culture, so I'm willing to accept that as the truth. Nonetheless... they've had 45 years to figure out what it sounds like to us. Those 45 years started with actual violence, and has continued with various forms of proxy conflict. So I don't think it's 100% on us to de-escalate the situation. (That said... they had been working on that de-escalation, and we're the ones who th…

The reason you guys threw it in the bin is here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad_infiltration_of_Irani...

We withdrew because of information that was already 15 years out of date?

I'd understand if it showed that Iran was failing to live up to the JCPOA. But to withdraw based on what it had been doing back in 1999-2003, a decade before the agreement? That, I can't follow.

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Post by porridgeraisin »

jfengel wrote: post #475
porridgeraisin wrote: post #333

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The reason you guys threw it in the bin is here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad_infiltration_of_Irani...

We withdrew because of information that was already 15 years out of date? I'd understand if it showed that Iran was failing to live up to the JCPOA. But to withdraw based on what it had been doing back in 1999-2003, a decade before the agreement? That, I can't follow.

> I'd understand if it showed that Iran was failing to live up to the JCPOA

But it does show that, from the wiki:

According to journalist Yonah Jeremy Bob and nuclear expert Jeffrey Lewis, much of the key contents were already reported in past IAEA reports. However, the trove provided more clarity about Iran's specific goals for its arsenal,[12] and it proved that Iran violated the JCPOA, which prohibited Iran from engaging in any research and development activity and required full disclosure of all of Iran's nuclear program, including documentation

> can't follow

Actually it is hard to follow! Both governments made it as if because the evidence was found, US withdrew from the pact. However, the operation to gather the evidence was launched so as to give the US a valid reason to withdraw from the pact. The cause-effect is the other way around. Of course, everyone suspected that Iran wasn't keeping up the promise with or without evidence anyways. The evidence was needed solely to give the US president a political reason to dump a deal set by his predecessor.

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

nine_k wrote: post #109
mandevil wrote: post #73

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Afghanistan was in the middle of a semi-active civil war when the US joined the fray, and by providing large scale air support to Northern Alliance troops on the ground, the situation changed abruptly. Iraq involved multiple US divisions of troops, which took months to get into position to launch a large scale ground invasion. Libya was in the middle of a very active civil war when the US started Operation Odyssey Da…

The thing is that the population of Iran is not being bombed, except a few high-ranking military personnel. It's the nuclear facilities, air defense sites, and some electrical power facilities that have been bombed. A number of meetings / manifestations of expatriate Iranians happened around the world, supporting the Israeli actions. The current regime earned no love from most of the population, it seems; massive ant…

> The thing is that the population of Iran is not being bombed, except a few high-ranking military personnel. It's the nuclear facilities, air defense sites, and some electrical power facilities that have been bombed.

this is not true. they bombed residential buildings in the capital city of the country. children have died in these bombings.

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Post by mousethatroared »

GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #463
mousethatroared wrote: post #282

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This wasn't Tulsi saying it, but the intelligence community going back to the dubbya administration. Some of us are old enough to remember. In honor of W. "fool me one, shame on you. Fool me twice? Well you cant fool me twice"

i'm not going to lie, though - when i read that elsewhere this morning, the first thing i thought was "i wonder if that 'intelligence' came from chatgpt as well?" [0] [0] https://www.thedailybeast.com/tulsi-gabbard-admits-to-asking... - forgive the crappy source, i'm not super serious about this line of discussion :)

It's been the assessment of three intelligence community going back decades.

Myself, I think they already have a bomb. Or actually don't want it for moral reasons. There is no universe where Pakistan and N. Korea have it and they're "working on it"

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Post by woooooo »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #465
mousethatroared wrote: post #281

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We dont care about Iran having a nuke any more than we care about Pakistan's or N. Korea. N. Korea has said mean things to us too. The only thing we care about is Iran's resources and support for the Palestinians.

> only thing we care about is Iran's resources and support for the Palestinians What’s with the Palestinian distortion effect? We sanctioned Iran’s oil. And to the degree we consider the Palestinians, it’s in mostly ignoring their interests. (But still caring to learn about them more than the North Koreans’ or Pakistanis’.) The difference is Pyongyang has behaved rationally. It doesn’t sponsor terror groups across th…

Iran has behaved pretty rationally IMO.

We killed one of their top generals, unprovoked, 5 years ago. Israel bombed their embassy in Syria a year ago. Both times, they sent telegraphed, calibrated missile barrages that let them deescalate situations they didn't create.

Now we're in a third instance of them being attacked. Who's the irrational party?

(Edit: and in Iraq, we invaded their neighbor while loudly saying "youre next", their actions in Iraq were also rational and calibrated given that context. Bog us down there, deniably, smart move.)

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Post by EGreg »

mgraczyk wrote: post #299
EGreg wrote: post #129

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They usually just do a mea culpa: Camera: https://www.bitdefender.com/en-us/blog/hotforsecurity/facebo... Audio: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41424016 Conversations: https://www.vice.com/en/article/facebook-said-it-wasnt-liste... Mass surveillance: https://thehill.com/video/facebook-spying-on-users-new-repor... Across the web: https://www.wired.com/story/ways-facebook-tracks-you-limit-i... Beacon: https://www…

I was around for a lot of these. In none of these cases did Meta lie. They are all either fake or honest mistakes that Meta never lied about. For the second one in particular, Meta never listened to anyone's mic. I would know, I worked on this stuff there at that time.

Interesting, you say Facebook didn’t listen to anyone’s audio, yet they themselves admit their contractors routinely did: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/aug/13/facebook-...

They even paid them to do transcribe chats: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-13/facebook-...

And this is just the publicly known stuff. So perhaps you weren’t privy to everything?

So Facebook (not Meta at the time) just “forgot” to turn off the camera after they were done with it? Sounds reasonable… except wait, they were actively re-activating it while you were scrolling, and until iOS 14 users were none-the-wiser. If it was an honest mistake, do you think FB testers would have not caught it during the MONTHS between iOS 14 developer preview and release? And yet, for this one I do think it was probably a bug about when to activate the camera.

https://medium.com/macoclock/apples-ios-14-catches-facebook-...

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