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Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by freedomben »

meetingthrower wrote: post #450
freedomben wrote: post #432

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> How many times did Jesus show violence or aggression? That’s the only one I can think of really. I think you might be forgetting about the bulk of the Old Testament

Pre-JC...

> 1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2. He was in the beginning with God. 3. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. (John 1:1-3)

> I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty” (Revelation 1:8).

> And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment” (Revelation 21:6).

> “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end” (Revelation 22:13).

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by freedomben »

acdha wrote: post #451
freedomben wrote: post #432

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> How many times did Jesus show violence or aggression? That’s the only one I can think of really. I think you might be forgetting about the bulk of the Old Testament

Jesus is a New Testament figure and very explicitly broke with the past in key ways. This is why his followers are not required to keep kosher, commit genocide, or abstain from having tattoos or mixed fiber clothing.

No, they're not required to keep kosher, commit genocide, or abstain from having tattoos or mixed fiber clothing because he fulfilled the law, not because he replaced it[1].

Furthermore Jesus was the God of the Old Testament, at least if you accept the New Testament as scripture[2].

[1]: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." --Matthew 5:17

[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44130537

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Post by dragonwriter »

freedomben wrote: post #432
hinkley wrote: post #386

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Throwing down moneylenders tables in the temple is pretty unambiguous. How many times did Jesus show violence or aggression? That’s the only one I can think of really. Though he did throw out some wicked burns a time or two.

> How many times did Jesus show violence or aggression? That’s the only one I can think of really. I think you might be forgetting about the bulk of the Old Testament

> > How many times did Jesus show violence or aggression? That’s the only one I can think of really.

> I think you might be forgetting about the bulk of the Old Testament

I'm pretty certain Jesus Christ does not show violence or aggression in the OT even as much as the one time being described as him showing violence or aggression in the NT.

I mean, I think that's a necessary consequence of a pretty fundamental element of the OT vs. NT distinction.

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Post by CyrsBel »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #317
CyrsBel wrote: post #305

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Jesus was a socialist? Was that before or after he used supernatural powers to increase the quantity of food instantly? Easy to be a "socialist" in such cases, but let's not pretend that there's any serious economic theorizing being done when people say this about Jesus. It's usually just a convenience for people looking to grift or instigate. lmao.

I mean, he did actually die on a cross and fast in the wilderness. Don't think the "multiplying food" thing was a huge escape hatch in the bible.

Because that is part of what he came to do at that time. He intentionally chose to die on a cross and fast in the wilderness. If he wanted an escape hatch from that fate, he would've not come or he would've summoned a bunch of angels to defend him.

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Post by yieldcrv »

masfuerte wrote: post #168
dragonwriter wrote: post #155

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> If Christ returns this year, the world is done If you believe in the literal statement about only 144,000 people being saved and in a pre-tribulation rapture, then “the world is done” only applies to a trivially small number of people.

I'm not a theologian, but if this were to happen I don't suppose the unsaved would be able to peacefully play the prediction markets during the tribulation . It sounds bad.

The tribulation occurs 7 years after 144,000 of the most boring most devout people disappeared forever.

Are you sure you would even notice? Especially not for long.

Supernatural things won't start occurring again for 7 years, and in a fairly slow drip. Unexplained loud trumpets in the sky? Natural disasters that already occur?

This isn't an issue regarding the existence of money and markets. That still functions. Maybe even in more degenerate ways than before, which is super exciting!

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Post by recursivedoubts »

nitwit005 wrote: post #366
lurk2 wrote: post #197

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No. Similarly, God cannot make a married bachelor, because this is nonsensical. The conversation then turns to questions about how we define God’s omnipotence: Doesn’t the existence of any sort of limitation placed upon God imply he is bound by higher principles and thus not omnipotent? Possibly; but this may just be a lack of imagination on our part. For example, can God abanlqhgfznsjks? Probably not, because that p…

The bible portrays God as explicitly being able to do nonsensical things, like creating a burning bush that is somehow not consumed. That it was on fire, but also not on fire, at the same time, was proof of a miracle. And more generally, that's just the nature of the supernatural in any religion. If what was going on was entirely logical, it wouldn't be a miracle.

some people freak out about the idea of a burning bush talking at people

i freak out about what the bush said: I AM THAT I AM

the first recorded instance of recursion, spoken in a language famous for its lack of abstraction, to an uneducated goat herder, communicating an idea that even the greeks struggled with thousands of years later in a much more sophisticated and leisured culture

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Post by toast0 »

mrguyorama wrote: post #134
flir wrote: post #74

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Even worse, they spend every cent on stupid prepper bullshit like freeze dried rations! Rations will not help you or your family if civilization breaks down. Without a literal army , you are no more powerful than the ones who did nothing to prepare. All rations do is ensure that you starve to death a month later than expected. Even better, those of you that collected guns and ammo as a hobby are about as prepared as…

I think this is perhaps too negative. I'm not stocking up on rations or anything, but if you're out in the boonies and don't bring attention to yourself, what are the chances of post-civilization people coming across you? Having rations helps you survive until the rations run out, and having guns helps you negotiate with small groups.

Depending on where you are, food beyond the rations might be easy or hard. Where I live, we've got seasonal berries, and plenty of wildlife of various sizes. Potatoes grow easily, if you happen to have any to plant. Probably too many people around here to avoid detection though, but a couple hours drive in the right direction and you'd be in a better place for that. Plenty of fresh water if you know where to look; if the surface wells stop running, it'll simply come out of the ground most of the time.

If there's all of a sudden a lot less people, nature's abundance starts becoming more apparent. Indigenous peoples thrived in my area without modern technology. I'll have a damn hard time, but if I can find a peaceful community to join, we can probably make it work.

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Post by o11c »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #327
mullingitover wrote: post #208

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> There's a theory that the eye of the needle was a narrow gate in Jerusalem's city wall This is a very debunked myth, brought to you by people who are desperate to avoid Christianity's clear proscription on hoarding wealth.

To be clear, it isn’t wealth per se that is taught is evil, but attachment to it and pining for it. The prosperity gospel demonstrates this perverse and unhealthy lust for riches. Many don’t pay attention to the fuller context. And Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of…

And even fuller context: for the rich to enter is "hard" (with comparisons), but someone who is not like a child "shall not enter" (no exceptions).

(previous chapter in Matthew, earlier in the same chapter in Mark/Luke)

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Post by CyrsBel »

krapp wrote: post #326
CyrsBel wrote: post #305

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Jesus was a socialist? Was that before or after he used supernatural powers to increase the quantity of food instantly? Easy to be a "socialist" in such cases, but let's not pretend that there's any serious economic theorizing being done when people say this about Jesus. It's usually just a convenience for people looking to grift or instigate. lmao.

People call Jesus a socialist because of the numerous times he commanded people to distribute their wealth to the poor and needy, help the sick, forgive debts and treat immigrants with respect and dignity. No one is literally claiming that Jesus was espousing some kind of proto-Marxist economic theory so much as pointing out that in the context of modern (specifically American) political discourse, Jesus would be con…

In history, America has been one of the most generous nations, if not the most generous, as far as charitable contributions go. I think people say "Jesus was a socialist" because they consider it an easy way to win more points in a debate or to ask for more social benefit spending. You can be a capitalist and still distribute wealth to the poor and needy, help the sick, forgive debts, be nice to immigrants, etc. There are entire products that are built to facilitate those things and enterprising individuals are able to donate from their surplus for those things too.

None of those things have anything to do with who owns the means of production or taking things from people who produced them, though. Jesus advocated for voluntary selflessness, not charity by compulsion. And certainly he didn't advocate for there to be a hall monitor on someone's personal life and income in order for that hall monitor to be the arbiter of whether or not it's all according to Jesus' "socialist" tendencies.

In modern American political discourse, if Jesus showed up he'd be expected to do miraculous things like multiplying resources. So...I don't see how meaningful it is for someone to say Jesus would be a socialist as if it is any kind of informed or useful commentary on the state of American discourse.

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Post by nineplay »

Boogie_Man wrote: post #381
joshstrange wrote: post #296

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> In fact, if you are true believer, you almost need to keep it hidden because it’s going to come off as mentally ill. Even agreeing on what a "True Believer" is would be impossible but, from what I have read of the bible and know from 18+ years in the church I agree. As I child I got in trouble a few times for suggesting we take the concepts in the bible to their logical end. Things like: - If we really believe all…

A good faith attempt to provide insight into good faith questions you shouldn't have been punished for asking: "If we really believe all these people will burn in hell then why aren't we all becoming missionaries?" Every Christian should seek to "become a missionary" in the sense that they should be a positive example and "practice what they preach" while being ready to share honestly about the Christian faith if app…

> If we adjust the question to "why don't we kill all infants after they're baptized if they will just go to heaven", the answer is because it is expressly forbidden by God in his prohibition on murder.

As a parent, I would go to hell to keep my children out of it. Therefore the logical thing to do would be to kill my children and ensure their salvation. While I burn in eternal torment, I can hold onto the slight bit of comfort that I will never see my children burning next to me.

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