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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by aa_is_op »

stiltzkin wrote: post #396
sega_sai wrote: post #322

A bunch of people in comments here seem to misunderstand what telegram is. It is not just a messaging app, it is essentially a platform like twitter, with channels, hundreds of thousands of subscribers to those. While I fully support E2EE communication with no back-doors, I think it is perfectly fair for governments to have some control to take down large channels that are clearly against the law. I do not know the t…

So do you endorse if Venezuela or North Korea do the same?

Stupid argument since those countries use Telegram for money laundering

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by BlueTemplar »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #380
ren_engineer wrote: post #90

the EU is becoming a parody >we've got to save democracy by restricting free speech and enforcing laws and regulations created by unelected officials

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Like reddit is representative of what EU citizens think.

Also hopefully LinkedIn will get banned indeed, or have you already forgotten how Microsoft has been (at least theoretically) illegal for nearly a decade already in the EU, because they were (and most likely still are) complicit with the US government in violating human rights, and that is even before considering the monopoly issues ?

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by aa_is_op »

codedokode wrote: post #11
chad1n wrote: post #3

From Telegram sources: >Pavel Durov faces up to 20 years in prison in France. The trial will take place very soon – sources close to the investigation. In addition to drug trafficking, he is accused of collaborating with an organized crime group, covering up for pedophiles, fraud and money laundering. I don't know how reliable this is, but I've seen in 3-4 sources that he's arrested for terrorism, child abuse, drug t…

If he intentionally cooperated with criminals then it is one thing. But if someone posted something illegal, and nobody reported this, then it obviously is not Durov's fault. If you are too lazy to report illegal content then you should arrest yourselves first.

It is his fault when his site is full of CSAM and he refuses to take it down

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by which »

vizzah wrote: post #85
chad1n wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU has been complaining about Telegram's end-to-end encryption for a long time and they want to implement some regulations to basically add backdoors into all messaging apps. I don't really see how this case will go on since at least private chats are encrypted so Telegram (theoretically at least) can't see the contents.

Private chats are a hassle to initiate and not multi-device. Most use normal chats. With anonymous accounts, using anonymous +888 numbers, whose price has increased from $16 to $1000+ in a matter of a year, it is indeed a very convenient playground for all sorts of activities.

Why would a criminal mastermind pay $1000 for an anonymous Telegram account when they could buy a burner phone with a prepaid SIM included for like $20 to register and throw it out? In my experience the people who buy those are more Durov superfan than Keyser Söze. And evidence of criminality on Telegram predates the Fragment numbers by a while - for instance in like 2014-2015 pretty much the only time Telegram was in the news was in connection to ISIS. They could also just use Signal which is provably private.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by mlindner »

vessenes wrote: post #19

Not clear right now if France thinks he was actively complicit with the four horsemen listed, or if just the act of running Telegram makes him complicit in their eyes, or something in the middle, e.g. they asked for help and Telegram turned them down. This will be an interesting case to watch -- I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort -- but generally my un…

I find it highly amusing that people on here actually think secure messaging platforms are "locally backdoored".

Despite what the article says, Telegram is not even a nominally end-to-end encrypted platform. You need to jump through hoops to get end-to-end encryption on the platform.

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Post by layer8 »

tamimio wrote: post #356
jfim wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One detail that's missing from the English article is why he got arrested. The French article mentions: Why was he under threat of a search warrant? The Justice considers that the absence of moderation, cooperation with law enforcement and the tools offered by Telegram (disposable numbers, cryptocurrencies...) makes him an accomplice to drug trafficking, child-crime offenses and swindling.

Just because he is the CEO doesn’t mean he is directly liable. The company is a separate entity. I don’t see anyone arresting Elon or other CEOs because of “not enough moderation.” Most actions are to block platform access. There must be something else for sure.

CEOs can be liable for intentional or grossly negligent non-compliance, among other things.

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Post by dusk_horizon »

The funniest thing is Russia’s evil government allowed Durov to leave motherland with money, but democratic France threw him in a jail. Why does he need France citizenship in the first place? He could use his Saint Kitts and Nevis passport to travel the world.

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Post by foverzar »

sneak wrote: post #449
foverzar wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US is a no-go for a project like this. No large geopolitical power is.

Signal has, it seems, successfully avoided being coerced by the USG, at least thus far.

It literally has government funding.
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