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X ordered to pay €550k to Irish employee fired after yes-or-resign ultimatum

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Re: X ordered to pay €550k to Irish employee fired after yes-or-resign ultimatum

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I am glad to hear that workers rights are being enforced in Europe. As an employee in Germany, it sounds deranged to receive an email saying I have one day to completely change my work contract, or be fired from my job.

I'm so glad most European countries have robust labour laws which often favour the employee in case of doubt, not the employer. This type of behaviour - unilaterally changing the employment agreement without even specifying them in their entirety! - should never be possible. I hope other employees and EU countries follow suit and slap X with more fines, if this impacted other citizens as well.

Innovators and entrepreneurs in Europe are not happy about that, however. They can’t compete internationally because hiring people is so expensive.

Re: X ordered to pay €550k to Irish employee fired after yes-or-resign ultimatum

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You can fire, there is a process, and this wasn't it. It's that simple. There is a huge difference between not being able to fire people, and not being able to arbitrarily fire people on the spot.

The issue is that corporations, with billions of dollars and hundreds of top lawyers at their disposal can always come up with justifications for everything they do.

Re: X ordered to pay €550k to Irish employee fired after yes-or-resign ultimatum

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post #108
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"This works both ways - employee can quit any time too." I think employees have been allowed to quit at any time since the early 20th century in most western countries. Of course there is a probationary period involved, but it's nothing like earlier times when police would possibly come and take you to your place of work, or it was illegal to be unemployed in several jurisdictions up to 20th century (e.g. USSR) etc.…

When I worked in Europe I had to give 3 months notice. If I left before that I had to pay the company the equivalent salary . So let’s say I leave after 1 month of giving notice. I now owe the employer 2 months salary.

In Germany, 3 months notice is common but it depends on the individual contract and there's a maximum defined by law (depending on the years of employment). You also get to take your accrued paid leave before the end of the contract.

Re: X ordered to pay €550k to Irish employee fired after yes-or-resign ultimatum

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s really hard to know what to think about Elon Musk these days Doesn't seem that hard, tbh

I’m worried that I might have unintentionally created scope for a flame war. I’d like to invite you to clarify why what seems a difficult topic to me seems a simple one to you? From where I’m sitting it seems nuanced and complicated and involving decades of history. It’s eminently possible that I’m missing key information on this, but I can’t glean a “no-brainer” from the above comment.

I would love to see sentiment analytics of Musk on HN before he came out as a libertarian/moderate/whatever he is and buying Twitter. Between here and Reddit, anecdotally I've noticed the contempt for the man is like night and day compared to 2015-ish. Even comments like your original get downvoted into oblivion lol. I've never really been a fan of him, especially with the diving rescue incident, but my theory is that tribalism has flipped sides.
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