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Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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> Is there a word for things that are both hilarious and tragic? Yes, tragicomic. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tragicomic

> tragicomic - of, relating to, or resembling tragicomedy —— I hate it when i see such useless explanations

I think it's so they can have one main definition for each base word and then derivatives just link to that

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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Webrings were a lot of people doing work for free or with little return. Nobody has time to do this anymore, and the only way to support such project would be paid membership (hard to gain traction) or ads (back to square one). Sorry that I sound pessimistic but I just am.

> Nobody has time to do this anymore Can you say more about that?

Thank you for the question. It really needs an explanation.

Times have changed. While there are significantly more open-source projects, online communities, and all kinds of available help than ever before, the proportion of active contributors relative to the number of people online has decreased. Consequently, the time required for each volunteer to process input for a project like a "webring" has increased significantly.

I also feel that it's become harder to motivate people, but not because they've become lazier. Rather, the tasks have become more demanding, so "nobody seems to have the time for them anymore".

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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The internet is an SEO landfill ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20256764 ) This is a related discussion from about 5 years ago about how SEO is ruining search. Google still seems to have a thick enough skin and a monopoly to get away with crap even after so many years of ruining search.

We need to collectively stop using Google, but the alternatives are just not as good for some things. The best one is probably Kagi, but let's be real: "normal" people would never pay for a search engine service. Well, "normal" people don't even know the difference between Google, Google Chrome and probably the internet.

Try kagi

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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It's a fair point about how awful recipe sites look without ad blockers, but this part is just plain incorrect: > You can tell just by looking at the URLs that those sites are going to be worthelss blogspam. At least two of the three results in the screenshot are from legitimate baking sites (Cookie and Kate, Sally's Baking Addiction) which are generally trusted sources online. I don't know anything about the third.…

I laughed out loud at this. You haven’t looked up many recipes in the last few years, have you? 95% of recipe results are nonsense and ads. It can take a few minutes of searching just to identify ingredients sometimes. My wife and I have been improvising recipes lately to avoid digging through all the junk. I actually recommend this: you can sort of make stuff up based on prior experience and things turn out pretty well sometimes.

Or, put your simplified recipes in a binder near the kitchen

Anything to avoid going to google to find a recipe

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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I just looked up Cookie and Kate. On my iPad I had to flick 7 times to get past the exposition on Crispy Roasted Chickpeas and find the actual ingredients. When I found the ingredients, they occupied a small squeezed sliver of the page. As I was counting the number of simultaneous ads surrounding the ingredient list (4 separate ads), a pop up covered them all and suggested I sign up for her newsletter. The recipe loo…

The problem is that Google started weighing time spent on page very heavily in their ranking algorithm - I don't remember at what point this happened but it must be about a decade ago by now. Every time a user clicks a Google result without using "Open in New Tab" and clicks the back button, Google gets a signal about how long they spent on the page. The longer a user spends on the site, the stronger the signal. Once…

Where do you find out about metrics like this?

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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On one hand I totally agree with the Luddite. On the other hand, why do we need Google for recipes. Everyone eats multiple times per day. You only need to host text, really. How come the world hasn't come together to create this. How can the world ever come together if we can't even create this.

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Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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I suspect you’ve bitten off more than you can chew. I checked four recipes. One was a joke made out of genital references. Three began with near identical “embark on a journey of flavour” pseudo-SEO bullshit.

FWIW, I tried a few recipes too and they came out just fine, without the usual clutter. I further anticipate that this is the direction we'll be going in general, "search" as we know it was a ~30 year period where Google reigned supreme. The world since moved on.

Yeah, but the new gatekeepers and tech are going to be worse. Ai companies, where you never see original human content any more. Just what the company’s ai shows you

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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To the parent commenter - have you set up google search console and reviewed what pages and keywords were affected? There could be other reasons why your pages aren't being indexed properly. If it's a small site, it could have been something as simple as changing an image or page title.

If something simple removes a useful site from the search results Google should fix its algorithm not the otheway around.

I presume when you say "remove from the search results", you mean removed from the first page or top n spots or whatever.

But what if there are 20 good resources? They can't all be on the first page, or in the top spot.

Perhaps yhe other sites improved, or were better in some way?

Being on top for a while is no guarantee you'll be on top forever. It's precisely Google's business to change the algorithm.

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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Funnily enough some Google resellers are paying more than Google. I have no clue how, they must be burning investors' money

They provide curation to the ad buyers. Basically the marketplace is broken for both sides.

Could you elaborate please ? You got me intrested but I can't make anything of what you mean by "curation".

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong. Corporations are necessary for specialisation, e.g. even knowing what your legal liability is, having someone to enforce health and safety rules, being able to run a production line rather than having one person spend about a year making a single car. We can't get most of the interesting things we see in developed economies just by sole tra…

And yet out planet will be destroyed, the rich are richer than ever off of the hard work of the poor. The corporation cares not about humanity or the rule of law, but yet we treat it as a person. I would challenge you that these "miracles" of the corporation will doom is all.

> And yet out planet will be destroyed,

Physically disassembled in its entirety by a paperclip maximiser.

> the rich are richer than ever off of the hard work of the poor.

And the poor are, too.

The natural state of our species: https://youtube.com/@primitivetechnology9550?si=xUTMUkTdB3oT...

> The corporation cares not about humanity or the rule of law, but yet we treat it as a person.

A legal fiction, but not exactly identical.

Countries too, "L'État, c'est moi" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'%C3%89tat%252C_c'est_moi

> I would challenge you that these "miracles" of the corporation will doom is all.

Could be. There's a reason we don't see aliens in the sky.

A the same time the "miracle" of collective action that you want to get rid of — because everything corporations do wrong is also done by other kinds of co-operations — isn't really just corporations, it's everything that makes us primates.

That's why you need to be more precise than "just ban them all", why the simple and obvious solution is wrong.

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