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I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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>The thing is, we both were not at the same level, quality-wise. My work was always a tad better, in shape and texture, rendering… I always was very sure I wouldn’t loose my job, because I produce slightly better quality.

One thing I had to learn the hard way in programming: it doesn't matter how good my code is or how modern the framework is, what counts is results delivered to the customer. Any newbie can outperform me in that regard.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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This very well sums up the anxiety I have about how this is going to affect programming. That any creativity and understanding will be sucked out and replaced with prompt engineering. I still think you will have to be a good developer to understand if the solution you get is good, but is that even going to matter when you can just ask again and try again? I think there will be lots of code bases that no-one really un…

Even prompt engineering is just a short term problem, that'll get solved and largely disappear within a couple of years, if not months. Making sense of natural language is after all what LLM are already really good at, they just haven't made their way into image generators yet. Another big issue that gets overlooked is that a lot of the problems that programming is used to solve today will disappear and no longer be…

> People today are thinking of ChatGPT as making it easier to build websites, software and such, but real the power of AI is that it makes all of that obsolete. Why bother browsing the Web when ChatGPT can just give you what you are looking for in whatever format you desire, without ever touching a website?

I don‘t think it will play out like this. Companies currently build systems to make the data robust/structured, to enforce a business process etc. Since they do not believe in answers any individual would give out of the unstructured data, they would also not trust an AI, and rightfully so. ChatGPT is not trustworthy at all and there is currently no path to make it so.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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When DALL-E 2 was released, I remember reading lots of people here in HN saying it would never take the jobs of artists. Well, seems like this argument is aging badly. This is exactly the type of conversation we need to have as a society. Instead of deluding ourselves that our skills are impossible to be reproduced by a machine, we should strive to build a system with values in which we can find a way to build a good…

>> I remember reading lots of people here in HN saying it would never take the jobs of artists. Well, seems like this argument is aging badly. And yet nobody lost his job. He wasn't fired. He is unhappy because automation equalized the playing field and mediocre artists became good enough with the right tools. The technology enabled him and other artists to be more productive. It feels similar to the best ditch digge…

He's also angry because now his job has completely changed. He enjoyed spending his time making 3D models. Now that expectations have shifted because of these tools he has to use them. He went from making things from scratch to writing prompts instead.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

#474

The discussion is creating 3 groups: First group is sure AI will be an enabler and it won't replace them; The second group is saying AI won't replace them at least in the near future (1~10 years); Then we have the third group, which is basically the sentiment the op is living rn: AI is taking away their hopes, dreams, and livelihood. Now, I think we'll see the strongest counterculture in human history against AI and…

And then industrial revolution didn't take out jobs, rather created more. So did computers in the 80s and 90s. I remember typesetters in our locality were protesting in the 80s that computers were taking off their jobs. They started something like "burn the computers" movement. More people were later employed as composers than there were typesetters.

Sure, as a whole the industrial revolution might have created more jobs. But what about individuals? Are we expecting some dude in his fifties whose job is going to be taken away by AI to switch careers just like that? That stuff is hard enough when someone is in their thirties. And in my country the unemployment rate is already 13%, there’s hundreds of candidates for any decent job opening.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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The fact that the industrial revolution created better life for most people doesn't prove an AI revolution will do the same. The classical counter-example are horses - the industrial revolution increased the demand for horses, but once the cars became cheap horses numbers and jobs drastically decreased.

But in this scenario, the horses had no agency to become anything else. I refuse to believe humans don't have agency.

Agency is only half of the equation. The other half is opportunity. With Industrial Revolution, horses had neither. With AI revolution, people may retain agency, but I doubt there will be many opportunities available.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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People with a good understanding of different styles of art and framing/angles/etc should be able to create the "right" prompts for a customer much much faster and get better results than people who don't know art. Generative AI like Midjourney will completely upend the art industry (it already is). But I don't think it's the death knell for the study of art. Here's a solid example of that in the context of creating…

I think the OP wasn’t disappointed about the end result, which is now higher quality by their own admission. They can certainly use their skills and experience to engineer prompts that will return the highest quality work, no doubt. What made them sad is they no longer have the joy and satisfaction of developing those models in a 3D rendering software. This is what they trained for. In many ways, this is like the ini…

> What made them sad is they no longer have the joy and satisfaction of developing those models in a 3D rendering software. This is what they trained for.

I think the point is that this artist can still experience that joy, but they just can’t get paid for it anymore. That is indeed sad, but that’s life.

On the other hand, maybe in a post scarcity society, this artist won’t have to work to survive, and they can do all the 3D modeling they want without having to worry about rent and food.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will probably end up being more "test driven development"-like. Write your tests/expectations and the tooling automatically prompts/writes the code to meet the tests.

That sounds pretty miserable, because test writing is one of the least fun aspects of my job

My experience with Copilot is the other way around. I spend time writing my types/data structures, my functions, then Copilot tends to easily spit several variations of the test by just me giving it the name of the test.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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This very well sums up the anxiety I have about how this is going to affect programming. That any creativity and understanding will be sucked out and replaced with prompt engineering. I still think you will have to be a good developer to understand if the solution you get is good, but is that even going to matter when you can just ask again and try again? I think there will be lots of code bases that no-one really un…

> I still think you will have to be a good developer to understand if the solution you get is good, but is that even going to matter when you can just ask again and try again? I think there will be lots of code bases that no-one really understands, but that it won't matter much. Really? If you have a million dollar bug because of one edge case and you are going to go to your AI and ask it to try again?

I've had experience lately of getting GPT4 to output some code, I notice there's a bug, I point out the bug (not even 'it's at this line with this variable', but just that it exists) and, yes, it does fix successfully fix it. So, yes, I think that's likely.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Curious - on a scale out of 10, how much of that was written by ChatGPT? No offense intended - if the answer is zero, my apologies

https://openai-openai-detector.hf.space/ Using this tool on the comment yields a 77.6% fake score. To give (pretty limited) contrast, a response from ChatGPT gives 99.9% fake, and another comment from this thread gives 0.1% fake. I assume that means the comment text was GPT-assisted, with some moderate editing from a human.

Those tools are completely unreliable at the moment. Don't trust the results.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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There is "art" and there is "design". It feels like OP might be confusing the two.

The latter is about creative expression within the confines of constraints like time, money, function, etc.

The former is not.

Doing graphic design work at a commercial enterprise is a creative endeavour constrained by commercial realities.

Perhaps the OP just needs to accept that he is working in the real world. They should probably find a creative outlet that is creating art in addition to their design day job.

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