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Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by georgeplusplus »

AareyBaba wrote: post #282
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #32

I think this is the first major layoff announcement at a big, established tech firm I've heard this year that is anywhere near this size. I mean, there have been loads of "couple hundred" employee layoffs, and certainly a lot of hiring slowdown/freezes, but again, haven't seen anything else near this big, and the layoffs previously seem to have been concentrated in unprofitable VC-funded companies. I know Tesla laid…

To be clear, AMD third quarter revenue is expected to be approximately $5.6 billion, an increase of 29% year-over-year . Previous guidance was 55% YoY.

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Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by goosedragons »

4ggr0 wrote: post #423
scarface74 wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you couldn’t truthfully answer the question. How is the Mac more locked down than Windows? What class of software can you run on Windows that you can’t run on Macs because of Apple’s operating system? Edit: I see downvotes. But no one can answer the question.. .

Most of the time it's the other way around, so programs which are used on MacOS but aren't available on Windows. Moving to MacOS is pretty doable I think, but leaving the Apple-sphere is a bit more complicated. And this is not strictly MacOS but iOS: When I had an Android phone I could just connect it to a Linux or Window laptop and copy files of and to it, same probably also works on a Mac. Now that I have an iPhone…

MacOS actually doesn't support MTP out of the box (which most non-ancient Android phones use). You need to get something like Android File Transfer to do it. They just don't want to support anything other than their own garbage.

Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by goosedragons »

scarface74 wrote: post #452
4ggr0 wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the time it's the other way around, so programs which are used on MacOS but aren't available on Windows. Moving to MacOS is pretty doable I think, but leaving the Apple-sphere is a bit more complicated. And this is not strictly MacOS but iOS: When I had an Android phone I could just connect it to a Linux or Window laptop and copy files of and to it, same probably also works on a Mac. Now that I have an iPhone…

So you can’t transfer files to your Apple device unless you use the Apple provided software to put files on your Apple device? I fail to see the issue. And it still didn’t answer the question about how Macs are more locked down than Windows.

You can transfer files to a Google device using a built-in feature of your Microsoft operating system on a Dell laptop.

And in the past you could transfer files from your Windows phone to your Linux workstation with zero extra software other than your DE. Ditto BB10.

God forbid you need to get a file to your iPhone from a Linux computer sans net connection.

Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by janef0421 »

lame-robot-hoax wrote: post #232
arroz wrote: post #224

Intel is laying off so they can increase their profit margin from 45% back to 60% so investors are happy? Am I reading this correctly?

Is Intel meant to be a jobs program? Should they just hire and retain people they don’t need…just to keep them employed? Should they hire me to twiddle my thumbs for $100k a year just because they can afford to? Increasing productivity is a good thing actually.

It's good locally, yes, but our current economic system does not have adequate systems to support people who are laid off into other work. Layoffs will result in significant hardship. Also, it's good for a company to have a degree of slack.

Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by orestarod »

pojzon wrote: post #197
Kukumber wrote: post #22

Hopefully for them that includes executives and managers, they are the ones responsible of the death of that company, not the engineers Congrats to Apple and AMD for having done better Microsoft ignoring AMD in their latest Surface lineup is a hint for the people looking for answers

I really hope that Intel will be a role model example to showcase what happens if you dont cut the cancer known as terrible management. Far too long managers are not taking responsibility for their bad decisions - not only business decisions but also simple feedback disregard. „Look at what happened to Intel thats what happens if you let your managers loose”

But is it not the management that makes such decisions?

Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by Aromasin »

cowmix wrote: post #117
disillusioned wrote: post #30

Isn't this just a culmination of nearly a decade of unforced errors and mismanaged strategy? I'm a complete outsider but I see a couple of fundamental huge misses by Intel over the past 10 or so years: 1) Completely missed the boat on mobile. Their ARM-competitive chips (Atom, etc.)... weren't. Missed on every measure from power to performance. Let Qualcomm and Samsung eat their lunch. 2) Missed too many ticks and re…

I've typed this before but I'll type it again here. About 10 years ago I ran the local Python Meetup group here in Phoenix. Intel had/has a big presence here and one of they guys who worked on the Atom team (doing compiler optimizations for that chip family) told us (at one of the Meetups)Intel corporate didn't like how good a processor Atom was shaping up to be. They were worried it would start to cannibalize their…

The Atom core is starting to find it's place now though, albeit years later. New Hybrid architecture in the core platforms, in the guise of the efficiency core, and for IoT/MilTech platforms there's a massive growing market with their Elkhart/Tiger Lake processor taking a large share of it.

Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by pbronez »

salawat wrote: post #446
cinntaile wrote: post #421

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It's still not clear that Intel shouldn't just go fabless like their competition. They're going for a hybrid approach right now where some of their own stuff is produced elsewhere. They're trying to get some manufacturers to use their fabs but they're nowhere near the state of the art. They lost that battle to TSMC a long time ago.

Will not happen for National Security reasons. DoD standard policy is that high criticality components must be able to made domestically. Or at least it was at some point.

Yes, but: the CHIPS act plans to increase domestic semiconductor manufacturing significantly. In the future, Intel might be able to go fabless with domestic manufacturing partners to satisfy DoD requirements.

“America invented the semiconductor, but today produces about 10 percent of the world’s supply—and none of the most advanced chips. Instead, we rely on East Asia for 75 percent of global production. The CHIPS and Science Act will unlock hundreds of billions more in private sector semiconductor investment across the country, including production essential to national defense and critical sectors.”

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...

Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by cinntaile »

salawat wrote: post #446
cinntaile wrote: post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still not clear that Intel shouldn't just go fabless like their competition. They're going for a hybrid approach right now where some of their own stuff is produced elsewhere. They're trying to get some manufacturers to use their fabs but they're nowhere near the state of the art. They lost that battle to TSMC a long time ago.

Will not happen for National Security reasons. DoD standard policy is that high criticality components must be able to made domestically. Or at least it was at some point.

Just because Intel would go fabless doesn't mean the fabs themselves would disappear. They could spin them out just like AMD did when they were in trouble.

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Post by chongli »

wahern wrote: post #468
noobermin wrote: post #387

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Except it didn't actually work out. It worked out at the time, and thus was "perfectly rational" then but rationality should not have a limited time horizon because then it is limited. This is the problem with short-term thinking, it eventually leads to loss.

What value is there in corporations being immortal? That is, why forego substantial and easy profits merely to exist as the same corporation further down the road? There are transaction costs to creating and building a corporation, but do those offset the clear costs of leaving money on the table, especially in the modern world of highly liquid capital, and particularly in markets with clear technological breaks. The…

There isn't anything particular about a company being immortal. The issue is now. No one wants to be there when a company is dying. There's nothing heroic about "going down with the ship" in the corporate world.

Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by eecc »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #40
disillusioned wrote: post #30

Isn't this just a culmination of nearly a decade of unforced errors and mismanaged strategy? I'm a complete outsider but I see a couple of fundamental huge misses by Intel over the past 10 or so years: 1) Completely missed the boat on mobile. Their ARM-competitive chips (Atom, etc.)... weren't. Missed on every measure from power to performance. Let Qualcomm and Samsung eat their lunch. 2) Missed too many ticks and re…

> It's absolutely incredible to watch these formerly phenomenally innovative companies falter at that very core competency of staying cutting edge but we see it happen over and over again. To be frank, I think that's a great thing. I don't want companies to stay giant in perpetuity, I think it's great that they are essentially "recycled" when new, better companies come along and eat their lunch. If anything I think i…

That's all very nice and yeah, we've all read the essay about "creative destruction" but what happens to the Intellectual Capital that gets annihilated, sold pennies on the dollar and left to whither in useless portfolio trusts.

It's a disastrous process, I passionately hate it

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