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Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by cinntaile »

whoIsYou wrote: post #360
AareyBaba wrote: post #332

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Client/Consumer CPUs(Ryzen) is just one business for AMD. The others are graphics (Radeon), datacenter (EPYC), and embedded (Xilinx, PS & Xbox consoles). The one year forecast will probably have to be adjusted based on current unexpected economic conditions but they will keep growing. What folks don't appreciate is that AMD is on a roll. A clear roadmap and processes in place to execute like clockwork in tandem with…

If they hadn't cut fab R&D years ago to juice profit margins, they wouldn't be in this situation now. I have no reason to believe they will suddenly start acting intelligently or with any real long-term thinking. Most likely it's just about managing the decline at this point (please Pat, prove me wrong)

It's still not clear that Intel shouldn't just go fabless like their competition. They're going for a hybrid approach right now where some of their own stuff is produced elsewhere. They're trying to get some manufacturers to use their fabs but they're nowhere near the state of the art. They lost that battle to TSMC a long time ago.

Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by 4ggr0 »

scarface74 wrote: post #338
seabriez wrote: post #333

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Or you couldn’t truthfully answer the question. How is the Mac more locked down than Windows? What class of software can you run on Windows that you can’t run on Macs because of Apple’s operating system? Edit: I see downvotes. But no one can answer the question.. .

Most of the time it's the other way around, so programs which are used on MacOS but aren't available on Windows. Moving to MacOS is pretty doable I think, but leaving the Apple-sphere is a bit more complicated.

And this is not strictly MacOS but iOS: When I had an Android phone I could just connect it to a Linux or Window laptop and copy files of and to it, same probably also works on a Mac. Now that I have an iPhone I can't even transfer files between my PC and my phone, unless I install iTunes and/or iCloud or download pictures through the iCloud web-interface.

I thought at this point it was a well known fact that Apple devices work perfectly with each other, but that it gets complicated when you want to use a different OS in combination.

Can list more examples if you want...

Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by sundvor »

NavinF wrote: post #417
sundvor wrote: post #409

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When a 5800X3D offers equal or better gaming performance at 1/2 to 1/3rd the power consumption (e.g. 220w vs 80w), and you pay $0.65 per kW/h during peak times, I can only imagine: "Quite a few".

If electricity was $0.65/kWh for me, I'd move out of the country lol. Assuming a more realistic $0.40/kWh (considered very expensive in the US, where most enthusiasts live), 8 hours of gaming a day, and a 200W power limit, you're paying $19/mo. Not bad. Don't get me wrong, the 5800x3d is a phenomenal CPU. However like many owners of that CPU, I'm also in the market for a 4090 and intend to use the full 600W power lim…

Nice, ha ha. I was going to say, look into Undervolting. I saw 95% perf at 60% of the power come up, ie 270w; that's actually going to be superb (very cool, quiet, still extremely performant).

So maybe configure that as an optional profile for titles not needing maximum juice?

I'm quite keen myself.

Power $ mentioned was peak times in Norway; I'm in Australia where it's not anywhere that bad yet. (0.25 AUD for me).

Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by axiolite »

maldev wrote: post #103
gspencley wrote: post #46

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I don't know a lot of the details, but everything I've heard over the last couple of years indicated that AMD was absolutely crushing Intel. A recent laptop I purchased, as well as the last desktop I put together (~2 years ago) each have Ryzen chips. I forget the details but in addition to performance issues, didn't Intel CPUs also have some major security vulnerabilities? And was it that they were related to instruc…

AMD also had alot of those major bugs, but it wasn't reported as much since the original papers all targeted intel CPU's since they are the "standard", and then a couple months later someone would do it for AMD but it was old news.

AMD CPUs were vulnerable to fewer of the speculative execution bugs than Intel, and the performance impact of the mitigations on AMD CPUs were far less than Intel.

Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by RhodesianHunter »

twodave wrote: post #106
hinkley wrote: post #38

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That’s always the problem. An R&D group I worked for laid off developers but no managers, which lead to more layoffs because overhead went up, which mean rates went up, which meant more consultants came in instead. Really at least a fifth of your layoff should be managers. If you lay off about six reports, that’s one less manager you need. So 1/7. If you lay off six managers, that’s one skip level you don’t need. 1 +…

Why not both? Even much smaller organizations tend to have low-impact teams that could be absorbed by others and their work deprioritized. If you're going to fire a dozen managers then the implication (or at least possibility) exists that maybe even the bottom 20% of that group is assigned to low-priority projects and perhaps even under-performing. Then 216 => 43 becomes 203 => 29 Now you've reduced the workforce by…

And suddenly reduce the velocity of all other teams because whoops it turns out those low priority projects were dependencies of everyone else.

Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by NavinF »

sundvor wrote: post #424
NavinF wrote: post #417

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If electricity was $0.65/kWh for me, I'd move out of the country lol. Assuming a more realistic $0.40/kWh (considered very expensive in the US, where most enthusiasts live), 8 hours of gaming a day, and a 200W power limit, you're paying $19/mo. Not bad. Don't get me wrong, the 5800x3d is a phenomenal CPU. However like many owners of that CPU, I'm also in the market for a 4090 and intend to use the full 600W power lim…

Nice, ha ha. I was going to say, look into Undervolting. I saw 95% perf at 60% of the power come up, ie 270w; that's actually going to be superb (very cool, quiet, still extremely performant). So maybe configure that as an optional profile for titles not needing maximum juice? I'm quite keen myself. Power $ mentioned was peak times in Norway; I'm in Australia where it's not anywhere that bad yet. (0.25 AUD for me).

> I saw 95% perf at 60% of the power come up, ie 270w

That's neat, but 5% is a lot when you're spending $1600. Oh and all these measurements you see tossed around are done with air coolers and stock voltages. Of course more power doesn't help if you're limited by thermals. Specifically, you're limited by hotspots you can't see because they're between the on-die temperature sensors.

> maybe configure that as an optional profile for titles not needing maximum juice?

4K gsync monitors are typically limited to 120Hz. If my GPU is capable of running a title at 1200fps, it will idle 90% of the time and consume only ~60W regardless of the 600W power limit. So tuning this is pointless. I'd still get 1/10th the rendering latency compared to a GPU that's only capable of 120fps. Same logic applies to power limiting your GPU which will increase latency and kill frame pacing in exchange for a tiny reduction in electricity bills.

Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by axiolite »

formerkrogemp wrote: post #376
faeriechangling wrote: post #374

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Intel has the legend of a corporate turnaround after a huge layoff in its history. I'm not sure if I can take this as a harbinger of things to come, and I'm saying this while generally being pessimistic of the economy, I think Intel is a deeply troubled business and some deep layoffs were long time coming because Intel was spread real thin across so many businesses.

The layoffs are happening in tech. Not as much elsewhere. This is .com bubble 2.0.

> The layoffs are happening in tech. Not as much elsewhere. This is .com bubble 2.0.

That's complete nonsense.

"The Automotive sector leads all industries in job cuts this year"

"Retailers led in job cut announcements in September"

"Technology companies followed"

Source: https://www.challengergray.com/blog/job-cuts-surge-46-in-sep...

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Post by axiolite »

scarface74 wrote: post #338
seabriez wrote: post #333

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Or you couldn’t truthfully answer the question. How is the Mac more locked down than Windows? What class of software can you run on Windows that you can’t run on Macs because of Apple’s operating system? Edit: I see downvotes. But no one can answer the question.. .

> Edit: I see downvotes. But no one can answer the question.. .

You likely would have had fewer downvotes if you had just answered in earnest the question asked: "Are you asking a question or being dismissive and flippant?" Then maybe you would have gotten an answer or two.

Instead, choosing to reply with inflammatory language like "you couldn’t truthfully answer the question" seem to indicate you are probably not interested in any ration discussion, but are instead going to dig in and dismiss or attack anyone who disagrees with you. Certainly doesn't make me want to spend any time explaining the bleeding obvious to you, but perhaps someone else will.

Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by rightbyte »

hodgesrm wrote: post #49
irrational wrote: post #27

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I asked an Intel chip designer more than 10 years ago why they were not prioritizing mobile chips. He didn't have a good answer. It has been obvious for so long that everything was moving to phones, tablets, etc. The fact that Intel has no foot at all in that door is astonishing to me.

It happens. Data center computing is profitable, and Intel mastered the sales motion long ago. IBM never really got off mainframes for similar reasons. It's a variation of the Innovator's Dilemma.

> IBM never really got off mainframes for similar reasons.

You could kinda say they made the PC? Also involved in PowerPC processors.

Not getting of mainframes were not their problem I think.

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