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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by herbst »

sumedh wrote: post #470
herbst wrote: post #469

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not as often as I will now, mostly because of the strange looks. And usually not only because of others. But yeah since I catched a bad case of regional flu in the Airport of Kuala Lumpur about 8 years ago I do wear masks in some situations. Especially when I feel sick but have to go out.

> Especially when I feel sick but have to go out. So you dont follow your own advice by not wearing a mask when you are not sick and yet you expect others to do what you say. What is that saying "do as i say not as i do"

You asked me about the past. I got smarter too

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by ryankrage77 »

racl101 wrote: post #436

Man, seeing this thing sorta took me back to that day. I was in high school and remember my buddy coming in late and telling me about the event and I was incredulous about what he was saying. Went home early for lunch to watch the news and sure enough, all the shit he was saying was happening .... was happening. Also, WTF BBC? You guys never covered this event in the first couple of hours!

The site doesn't account for differences in time zones, the BBC footage is not synced.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by jl2718 »

iratewizard wrote: post #443
photochemsyn wrote: post #62

When reviewing 9/11 attacks (likely the biggest and most disastrous intelligence failure in U.S. history, give or take Pearl Harbor), it's worth remembering that it could have been much worse. If the first plane had hit Indian Point nuclear reactor what, 30 miles from NYC and upwind? It's likely a Chernobyl/Fukushima disaster would have resulted with an exclusion zone well into NYC. That was reportedly part of the pl…

Pearl Harbor was unforeseeable. We knew the range of their planes and did not remotely expect that they would come anyways, when a return trip would be impossible. 9/11 on the other hand, was deemed a real threat during Clinton's administration.

This sounds like old information. Things have been declassified since then.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by atdrummond »

O5vYtytb wrote: post #428
atdrummond wrote: post #409

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The two towers were designed to sustain an accidental hit by a 707 on a descent trajectory. They were instead purposely hit by much larger 747s and at a much higher cruising speed. This meant that the kinetic energy transfer was approximately 8x larger than expected. The 747s at the time of impact also held significantly more fuel (at least 100% more) than those utilised in the 707 attack model.

they were not hit by 747s

Correct. Sorry, I had originally typed 767 and then in an edit swapped as everyone else said 747 and I thought perhaps I was having some sort of Mandela Effect going on. The size and speed differential holds true - a cruising speed extended-range 767 is much faster and larger than the equivalent, landing-approach 707 the building was “rated” for.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by chitowneats »

hnbad wrote: post #455
rkk3 wrote: post #243

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>Heart disease and cancer aren't contagious, so your actions on that front will only improve your own life No, they inflict massive negative externalities on society through healthcare. > while being a bit more careful with covid will potentially prevent sickness in a lot of people. Classic Safety-ism. Even today, 20 years after 9/11 and we are still paying a ludicrous price for this logic.

> No, they inflict massive negative externalities on society through healthcare. Good thing the US doesn't have socialized healthcare and private insurers generally exclude preexisting conditions. > Classic Safety-ism. Even today, 20 years after 9/11 and we are still paying a ludicrous price for this logic. Funny how the "safety-ism" after 9/11 was pushed by the Republicans and now the Republicans are complaining abo…

"lower mortality"

Try nearly zero. Much lower than other common pathogens like flu and RSV. Which is why the UK is not recommending mass vaccination of teenagers aged 12-15, or any children younger.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58438669

This is why many argue that the focus on covid in children is largely about the irrational fears of parents and educators who have not seriously looked at the data.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by afroboy »

project2501a wrote: post #315
photochemsyn wrote: post #62

When reviewing 9/11 attacks (likely the biggest and most disastrous intelligence failure in U.S. history, give or take Pearl Harbor), it's worth remembering that it could have been much worse. If the first plane had hit Indian Point nuclear reactor what, 30 miles from NYC and upwind? It's likely a Chernobyl/Fukushima disaster would have resulted with an exclusion zone well into NYC. That was reportedly part of the pl…

> done the regime change op in Saudi Arabia, how about "stop fucking with other countries", instead? maybe bring Kissinger to the international court?

Then how Israel will stand when Muslims get their shit together?

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by afroboy »

pbourke wrote: post #20
sharkweek wrote: post #5

I sometimes forget how surreal that day was. Was in high school at the time and sort of at “that age” where the world was still pretty small and revolved around me. Mom waking me up to say “you need to watch this,” with the TV on and both towers are on fire. The morning variety newscasters breaking their household familiarity speaking in a frightening shock that was so out of character. Still went to school that day…

> I think the pandemic has far more historical significance I’m not sure about that. Without 9/11, there would be no wars, perhaps no Obama, etc. It altered the arc of history in a profound way. The recent Frontline episode “America after 9/11”[0] draws a through-line from 9/11 to the events of Jan 6 at the U.S. Capitol. [0] https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/america-after-9-11/

Are you sure about that? because dick cheney has Iran and Iraq in his mind before 9/11.

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Post by nautilius »

rkk3 wrote: post #437
nautilius wrote: post #387

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The ludicrous and horrible price - of wearing masks? You have a twisted logic, comparing terror attacks and follow-up global wars to the horrors you must be going through, masking up (or not) for the grocery store.

Personal attacks aren't welcome on Hackernews. > The ludicrous and horrible price - of wearing masks? Of shutting down schools? of closing borders and separating families, which since you want to trivialize things I didn't bring up, a 3 year old in my family was separated from her mother for a year and a half. I didn't specify wearing masks.. but no one knows what the effect will be of kids wearing masks all day. The…

Several hundred thousand people could have been saved in the US if these measures had been taken seriously, early enough, compared to other first world countries.

Social distancing, closing schools, etc. were proven methods that showed the difference between cities with horrible losses and much better outcomes for the Spanish Flu. (Edit: Washington had his troops in the revolutionary war quarantined, separated, and inoculated when small pox became a problem. ) We knew all that.

This weekend, we are mourning the tragical losses of a terror attack that cost the lives of 3000 innocent people. Because of people like you, who call proven measures against COVID ‘safety-isms’ we lose that many people every other day.

If anything, we clearly didn’t do enough ‘safety-isms’.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by nautilius »

chitowneats wrote: post #423
nautilius wrote: post #387

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The ludicrous and horrible price - of wearing masks? You have a twisted logic, comparing terror attacks and follow-up global wars to the horrors you must be going through, masking up (or not) for the grocery store.

Some of us don't mask "just to go to the grocery store". That's HN software engineer privilege, 100%. Many people, including little children, are expected to wear these masks 8 hours a day. You have no idea what damage you are causing for the lower classes, the less fortunate, and American public school children. Nor do you understand the effect this has had on the campaign for mass vaccination. I can assure you this…

Well, we are on HN, are we not?

Many people, such as doctors, nurses, certain manufacturing jobs wear masks for much longer stretches of time, for many decades already. They are fine, it works really well.

But you are right, I do not understand the effect of mask wearing on vaccination. Care to elaborate?

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