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Once Safari is gone you're not a web developer you're a ChromeOS developer
Safari doesn't exist for 80% of the world.
This may change if Apple continues producing great hardware like M1 laptops.
Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
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Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
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Given how they make a minimum $450M a year in revenue, how on Earth is Mozilla not swimming in cash?! How high can their expenses be?
How many developers do you think a browser engine needs? How much do they cost? But also, the answer to your question is at https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2019/mozilla-fdn-201... and https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2019/mozilla-2019-fo... (the 2020 numbers are not up yet because the audit starts when the tax return is filed and lasts for several months, so isn't completed yet). Just for comparison, l…
> How many developers do you think a browser engine needs? How much do they cost?
Browser: ~20
Web rendering engine: ~100
Worldwide average senior C/C++ developer salary: $100k/year
So $12M/year should do it. Let's say $20M to allow for management and overhead.
Disclaimer: founder of a browser company
Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
#473I've been using Firefox daily for over 15 years now. My experience with Firefox over the last 2-3 years in particular leaves me very disappointed and frustrated. The constant nonsense UI redesigns that come about with every new update. The instability, and ridiculous resources consumption. The slowness and slugishness. I want a browser that works, respects my privacy, stays out of my way and lets me get shit done. A…
I used Firefox since it released. I changed to chrome after they broke all my extensions for the 2 time in five years. Austrailis change is where I dropped. I use edge now and it’s fine, just fine.
Same boat. Used to be a big Firefox fan back in the day but even if it's not bad for me these days it doesn't do anything special. Edge works just as well and feels slightly less cumbersome.
Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
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A friend of mine has over 4,000 tabs open in Firefox at the moment - they just never close a tab, ever. Their Firefox' memory usage is only a little higher compared to mine with 3 open tabs.
This is just a blatant lie. Come on, man!
2650 tabs open right now. I'm sure I had more open in the past. No major performance impact. If I click on the "List all tabs" button it takes a second to render the list. The PC is 5 years old, not even close being state of the art.
Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
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Unless Meet and other Google apps are really tailored to subperform under firefox I don't think it's a solid case. If google devs code doesn't run as fast in firefox why should google take the blame ? or maybe google is using non html5 apis to tap into chrome for faster perf in which case things are muddy.. since whatwg kinda allows unofficial apis
Obviously, a private company can do what they want and they shouldn't be forced to make their code run on other platforms.
Microsoft got in trouble for less than this in the EU and had to start offering firefox as an option on standard installs.
E: Just saw the /s in parent's grandchild.
Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
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The end of XUL was necessary to make Firefox faster. Doenload an old XUL Firefox version and surf the web. If you don't notice a difference in page load speed, startup time, and overall responsiveness, you might have a very, very fast computer, which most people around the world don't have. The 3 or 4 thousand power users that needed native interop were (and still are) of no interest compared to the then bad performa…
My number one reason to use Firefox is uBlock Origin. It does an exceptional job and web is way more annoying without it.
uBlock Origin is available for Chrome and Chrome-based browsers.
Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
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Why doesn't it have a status bar? All the software I use has a status bar, but for years it has become fashionable not to have one in browsers.
It does have a status bar. Or we are talking about different things?
They probably mean a bar at the bottom that shows what's going on. All browsers used to have it. Then it dropped to just showing which URL was currently loading. I don't think they even show that now. Most of what it had is accessible in greater detail with developer tools, but it was nice to have a little summary down there.
Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
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I was under the impression that Apple doesn't allow ad blockers but only request filters that are maintained by the OS and have an upper limit. How can one browser be better than another if that's true?
I don’t know, but Brave on iOS works very well. I can watch YouTube with no ads (and even a one-click button to download for offline viewing/ listening). Websites load quickly, with no ads that I can see, except in the rare cases where the ads are selfhosted.
They both use Safari's engine. There shouldn't be any difference in performance or support for features.
Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
#479I've been using Firefox daily for over 15 years now. My experience with Firefox over the last 2-3 years in particular leaves me very disappointed and frustrated. The constant nonsense UI redesigns that come about with every new update. The instability, and ridiculous resources consumption. The slowness and slugishness. I want a browser that works, respects my privacy, stays out of my way and lets me get shit done. A…
Just to give a contrasting data point: I always see people complaining about resource consumption in Firefox in these threads, but I have honestly almost never had trouble like this and I use it for hours every day with lots of tabs and lots of rich media websites open. It happened more in the past (maybe 5+ years ago), but I am sure some of the blame in those cases would have been down to Flash. Now that I think mor…
Try using Firefox on the world's most popular streaming site Twitch.Tv and report back, let it sit there for a while and try for example use multiple streams to check different perspectives. It slows down to a halt.
Also I can't for example leave Firefox alive while playong some games or it starts to create stutter in the games.
I tried profiling but the Firefox profiler just hangs all the time or uses so many resources it becomes unstable ironically
Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
#480Mozilla(Firefox's parent) has supported pro-social justice and progressive causes that ticked off a lot of users. There were a lot of discussions about it in 4chan from 2017-2019. Many people vowed to never use Firefox ever again and instead switched to alternatives like Waterfox and PaleMoon.
Somehow I doubt many of the tens of millions of people who switched have any idea about this minor tech feud. Blaming this for Firefox's fall would be just as silly as me assuming the tens of millions of people who use Brave know what kind of person is CEO and support his views. Most people don't look that deep into the tools they use.