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Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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should have built your own phone with your own store - hn hivemind

Can we just please pass some legislation to break Google and Apple's app installation monopoly already? Sure, they built the phones, doesn't mean we can't demand more rights than they decide it's profitable to give us (or put another way, just because the king's ancestors founded the country doesn't mean we shouldn't demand freedom and democracy).

These tech monopolies were built on adversarial interoperability! IBM made their "PC", but a lot of Silicon Valley's growth in the 80s and 90s happened because businesses had the freedom to innovate adversarially, creating the IBM PC clone.

As Cory Doctorow recently explained[1]:

>> It's how we got Gateway, Dell, Compaq and all of the other PC vendors that might have sold you that IBM PC clone in 1984 running an operating system that IBM hadn't made, on phone lines that had been broken up from AT&T.

>> And so it felt in those days like maybe we'd found some kind of perfect market, a market where you could make your products with low capital, just with the sweat of your own mind, by writing code. That you could access the global audience of everyone who might want to run that code over a low cost universal network. And that that audience could switch to your product at a very low cost, because you could always write the code that it would take to to port the old data formats and to connect the old services to your new product. It was a market where the best ideas would turn into companies that would find customers and change the world.

>> as these companies acquired new monopolies, they diverted their monopoly rents to foreclosing on competitive compatibility.

When talking about monopoly, people tend to focus on price, but modern tech monopolies don't need to use traditional form of rent seeking. Exploitative prices don't make sense when the monopolist undermines the entire market with "free services". Instead, tech monopolies are about control of what is allowed to participate in the market.

[1] https://media.ccc.de/v/rc3-11337-what_the_cyberoptimists_got...

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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So we got notified by the developer console at 21:45 UTC that the app had been suspended, but still haven’t had an email to explain why - it’s 02:24 now. Our assumption that this is due to someone reporting abusive content in Matrix to Google, and Element catching the blame — although this is currently speculation. To be clear: Element is a Matrix client just as Chrome is a Web browser, and just as it’s possible to v…

We received a generic update at 05:31 UTC confirming that the app had been suspended due to abusive content (Sexual Content and Profanity: https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answ... ); we're following up to explain how Matrix and Element works and get this resolved.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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So we got notified by the developer console at 21:45 UTC that the app had been suspended, but still haven’t had an email to explain why - it’s 02:24 now. Our assumption that this is due to someone reporting abusive content in Matrix to Google, and Element catching the blame — although this is currently speculation. To be clear: Element is a Matrix client just as Chrome is a Web browser, and just as it’s possible to v…

I'm testing Element and Matrix at American Airlines. There are big players with clout that take issue to instability such as this. How can I rely on my company using Element when it gets pulled? Not cool Google... To the element team, reach out to me if you can't get the support you are looking for.

Sorry for this :((

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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I'm testing Element and Matrix at American Airlines. There are big players with clout that take issue to instability such as this. How can I rely on my company using Element when it gets pulled? Not cool Google... To the element team, reach out to me if you can't get the support you are looking for.

Can't you just use a web app or any other matrix client if this happens? If Google were to "ban" slack from their store, their browsers, etc. then you would be quite in trouble. But with matrix, just pick a different client and move on.

Yes, I'm doing a custom react client integration. AA has to prepare for black swan events from every angle and this is a perfect example of one.

When you have 100,000+ employees, it's not trivial to just switch up communication platforms.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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I wish Google and Apple are going to be hit with fines and regulation in the EU because of this once the comissioners have better things to occupy themselves with other than the pandemic.

If you look at any legislation that’s been proposed to address this, in the EU or anywhere else, it hasn’t been anything that’s going to make the situation any better. Lots of governments around the world are very upset that these cartels have the ability to restrict people’s access to the internet without any oversight or due process. But that’s not because they think it’s harmful for peoples access to these service…

Exactly. If a chat service is banned in some authoritarian countries, that's the strongest signal that it is indeed secure.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Google ditched that app too. If you move from iPhone, where would you go?

I don't really want to go to Android, but as was pointed out above, at least side loading is possible. Everyone still can get Element right now, even though Google has banned it from their store. But if Apple banned it, I'd be immediately unable to get it.

You can use an open source community driven Android build like LineageOS or GraniteOS, if your phone supports it. You can even conpletely degoogle your phone this way :)
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