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Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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For those interested in watching the video without feeding into Brietbart's ad/engagement numbers, I've mirrored it here: https://yossarian.net/google.mp4

I'm not positive I've done this correctly, but I tried uploading it to IPFS. If someone could let me know if that works, I'd appreciate it. QmX5wjpMyWrtwHQnJ6L8BMAnUGgxwJqnoLbTCJbmWD1gqG - 720p QmNPNYTMD95vc6PZtH5QFgLTj22cNkWm6TTCi7YGKY3kD3 - 270p

And in case my attempts were bungled, it's on a couple distributed YouTube alternatives as well, editorializing aside:

https://d.tube/#!/v/ironshield/40gf6ocf

https://www.bitchute.com/video/W2AYKFBRVQsE/

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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Except there are plenty of rational reasons one might want to restrict immigration by country, as even Gwern has gone over before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13859767 > immigrant outcomes differ by orders of magnitude by country and that this has considerable implications for the immigration debate and that many of the arguments made by the left for illegal immigration & open borders range from ignorant to…

> To put forth either of these as reasons to restrict immigration from one set of countries, and encourage immigration from another, almost always gets you labeled a racist That is the very definition of racism. You're ascribing negative traits to specific races/ethnicities/countries, and using that as justification for discriminating against all individuals from that demographic. If you want to advocate for racist p…

Lot of people don't seem to realise that the view points they hold are racist and get angry when called out. Case in point, in India I have seen people generally calling lower cast people unfit or outright stupid for a job by cherry picking examples and generalising it across the entire group. When called out, they often respond with anger similar to the parent. In their viewpoint, they are making a judgement based on "facts".

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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Not really. It's not the particular choice of words that bothers people. It's the fact that they either have to submit to the frivolous power-trippers or die on a hill they don't particularly want to, in this case defending the word 'slave'. You're saying they should just submit, despite the fact that they realise the whole point of it all just is their submission. In other words, submit to the bully because, otherwi…

The rub is you really don't know what their motivation is. You can suspect but if they're willing to put in the all the work, it costs you nothing. Going on some crusade for no gain or loss and only to deny someone else is just whipping up drama. If you have legitimate complaints, make them. This doesn't have anything to do with politics. Any argument based around "I don't care so you shouldn't either" is bound to ca…

Yes. I don't know their motivation the same way a man is presumed innocent in a court.

But people are not courts. So I do not need, not is it practical, to act like one.

However, I do know the justifications their proponents present for it. And I do know that they're frivolous. They just claim it will somehow make the world better.

They set up a conjecture - that abstract people abstractly suffer when they read those words - and proceed to impose a real action based on the conjecture: we have to delete the words.

Notice how no actual person is presented has having suffered from reading these words in Python code, let alone questioned (like a witness in a court, btw). So no actual suffering is presented.

Yet, the actions, the imposition, is concrete. It is actual. Some very actual people will have something imposed on them directly and indirectly because of this frivolous conjecture.

And the conjecture is frivolous precisely because it is an extraordinary claim - that people suffer when they read 'slave' in the context of Python code - that is presented without a single shred of anecdotal evidence, let alone proof or demonstration.

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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When the right talk about toxic and destructive cultures and suggest policy to address it then that is racism and discrimination. When the left talk about toxic and destructive masculinity and suggest policy to address it then that is using clear language and decisive action about a structural issue in society. We could be making sensible policies based on each individuals own merit and it would be great. No more wom…

I'd consider myself a liberal, and I'm opposed to any and all attempts to discriminate against an entire demographic group, based on negative traits that are (supposedly) statistically common. Regardless of whether the group in question is Mexicans/Whites/Females/Males/Muslims. I would consider anyone espousing such ideology to be racist/sexist by definition. There are certainly fringe bigots in the left, but I'm sur…

I am glad to hear someone with that view. I would like it to be fringe, and while the last weeks election here in Swedish is plainly showing how mainstream generalizations like "mens violence again women" are, I feel like looking at like it is fringe might just help push it to actually become fringe.

Equality of this kind is a topic that could create common ground between liberal left and libertarian right, with policies and laws that focus on the individual and human behavior rather than groups. It would mean giving up having a group that each side can point at and blame for all faults in society, and the cynical in me would say that this means its political impossible, but it would make for a better world and possible push people to towards each other rather than apart.

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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I'd consider myself a liberal, and I'm opposed to any and all attempts to discriminate against an entire demographic group, based on negative traits that are (supposedly) statistically common. Regardless of whether the group in question is Mexicans/Whites/Females/Males/Muslims. I would consider anyone espousing such ideology to be racist/sexist by definition. There are certainly fringe bigots in the left, but I'm sur…

I am glad to hear someone with that view. I would like it to be fringe, and while the last weeks election here in Swedish is plainly showing how mainstream generalizations like "mens violence again women" are, I feel like looking at like it is fringe might just help push it to actually become fringe. Equality of this kind is a topic that could create common ground between liberal left and libertarian right, with poli…

I agree with you. There's nothing more dehumanizing than being insulted or discriminated against, because of the demographic group you belong to. I think we should all speak up against it when we see it happening.

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>every criticism of a woman is a criticism because she’s a woman K.

keep kidding yourself (oh, and so glad you can downvote instead of have honest discussion)

It’s aactually not possible to downvote someone who replies to you. So it wasn’t me.

Anyway, keep telling yourself that you understand people’s motives, and that they’re bad. In the real world, sexism and racism are not nearly as extreme as you’d think from the perspective of the tumblr echo chamber.

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> Can you really not imagine an intelligent decent person genuinely holding conservative beliefs? Sure, but that has nothing to do with the heady mix of garbage and conspiracy that the likes of Breitbart like to stir up in order to appeal to emotion rather than to ratio. > You seem to have strong feelings against Breitbart. Why? By trying to frame this as an emotional affair you've just killed my appetite for continu…

I'm not trying to frame this as an emotional affair. Feelings was just an expression in that case. I don't have an ulterior motive here, I'm sincerely asking in good faith. What are your objective issues with Breitbart? Nothing in Breitbart seems that extraordinary to me. Let me rephrase, Can you really not imagine an intelligent decent person subscribing to Breitbart?

> Nothing in Breitbart seems that extraordinary to me.

That's your problem right there. If your understanding of the world, history and your reading comprehension are such that Breitbart looks normal to you then I'm afraid I am out of options to convince you of the opposite, you will have to do some catching up.

We are talking about the same website I hope?

It's a non stop orgy of emotional button pushing with a complete lack of balance with respect to the reality on the ground. It's quite possible to lie with facts by selectively leaving out facts that support counter examples and those things that do not support your worldview. Breitbart is apparently good enough at this that it can convince people like you - able to string together a couple of sentences with more than two syllable words in it - that this is normal.

So, maybe it is possible that an intelligent and decent person subscribes to Breitbart, but it would require stretching 'intelligent' to the point of abstraction and 'decent' would not enter the picture by my definition of that word. Most decent and intelligent people that I know would be more than capable of seeing it for what it is: outright manipulation of public opinion for political purposes, so blatant that it is surprising it works at all.

If you feel it is normal then that is your problem, especially if you consider yourself to be intelligent and decent. Personally I like my news diet to be solidly grounded in reality, not a carefully made selection of facts to support certain political bumper stickers such as 'white is good, black is bad', 'immigrants are bad', 'America is great' and so on.

Remember too that history has a way of not looking too kindly on those that felt that obvious aberrations were perfectly normal and decent, when in fact all they were justifying was their own bigotry and biases. Time to figure out which side of history you want to be on, good luck, you'll need it.

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See, I think this is the mistake you're making. You seem to think that there is some element of objective truth left here. There isn't. It's echo chambers all around. The truth is, everything is a simulacra. Fake news, fake memories, fake reality. Fake everything. Wake up.

That's another tactic often employed: to try to make it seem as if there are no facts therefore it does not matter if one side or another lies with abandon. So therefore you should not believe anything you read in the newspaper, because after all 'nothing is real'. Truth is a matter of degree, there is no black and white, so yes, it is hard to get to an objective truth when there are more than one participants to any…

It's the beginning of the Singularity, though people are not realizing it. Hivemind collectives are already growing exponentially, with extreme subcultures that are essentially customized filter bubbles. It will become steadily more impractical to resist the temptation to join one. You will be punished and an outcast (socially and economically) for not being apart of a hivemind consciousness. People are already deferring the vast majority of their cognition to machines. Eventually, I predict that as technology improves, cybernetics will become an inevitability. So there are an infinite amount of truths now, which is why I don't bother to seek something so fragmented (i.e. outside of my echo chamber).

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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I'm not trying to frame this as an emotional affair. Feelings was just an expression in that case. I don't have an ulterior motive here, I'm sincerely asking in good faith. What are your objective issues with Breitbart? Nothing in Breitbart seems that extraordinary to me. Let me rephrase, Can you really not imagine an intelligent decent person subscribing to Breitbart?

> Nothing in Breitbart seems that extraordinary to me. That's your problem right there. If your understanding of the world, history and your reading comprehension are such that Breitbart looks normal to you then I'm afraid I am out of options to convince you of the opposite, you will have to do some catching up. We are talking about the same website I hope? It's a non stop orgy of emotional button pushing with a comp…

I understand that you think Breitbart is manipulative but you really haven't offered any examples or any other type of evidence.

I've never seen an article on Breitbart claim "black is bad" or "immigrants are bad." They are critical of illegal immigration, since it's illegal.

They are pro-American, but so am I since I am American. What's wrong with thinking America is great?

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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I checked and results are very different if you spell her name with a z, as she does.

I don't see a difference, or much in the way of attack articles

The "s" page had a bunch of month-old stuff. The "z" page was more recent news. I just rechecked and it's mostly the same way (though we're already in a different news cycle). When I check previously, 4 out the first 5 links were negative. Now, it's 3 out of 6. (Different news cycle)

https://screenshots.firefox.com/c8bGMXUBBHMFkqga/www.google....

vs

https://screenshots.firefox.com/UeE3uvdbOyBrvvKT/www.google....

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