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Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by dang »

o0-0o wrote: post #191
austinheap wrote: post #127

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It's called corporate social responsibility. Companies advocate for their bottom line and their employees at the same time. As a gay dude that grew up in Ohio -- and had people yell "fag" when I got my diploma at graduation -- I'm beyond happy that the next generation of LGBTQ engineers won't grow up with the same level of hate I experienced. The arc of moral justice is only bent when force is applied.

Cry me a river. I am not even gay and people yell fag at me in Bushwick all the time. Time to grow up dude. Sticks and stones...

We've banned this account for violating the site guidelines right after we asked you to stop.

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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by dang »

lordCarbonFiber wrote: post #334
chrisco255 wrote: post #242

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The downvote button is not a disagree button.

It's not that people disagree with you; it's just that your ideas aren't adding much to the conversation. You've got piles of misinformation, no sources, that beautiful demand for civility in the face of categorically uncivil views, and then the wonderful demand for "tolerance". Tolerance has limits and you can't allow tolerance of ideas that exist in mortal opposition. IE there is no room for white supremacists in a…

Labeling someone a white supremacist and dog-whistler in response to that comment is an outright personal attack. We ban users who do that, regardless of how right they are or feel, and regardless of their politics. Please post civilly and substantively, or not at all.

It's hard enough for a topic this divisive to show up on HN; stooping this low just sets the whole place on fire.

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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by colanderman »

_8j50 wrote: post #163
austinheap wrote: post #127

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It's called corporate social responsibility. Companies advocate for their bottom line and their employees at the same time. As a gay dude that grew up in Ohio -- and had people yell "fag" when I got my diploma at graduation -- I'm beyond happy that the next generation of LGBTQ engineers won't grow up with the same level of hate I experienced. The arc of moral justice is only bent when force is applied.

You only say that because it's convenient for you. You would not like it one bit at the conservative places I worked at. It really is a two way street and u-turns are allowed.

That an individual would "not like it one bit" at a politically-active conservative company for no reason other than that they are gay, is an argument against modern American conservatism, not against corporate social responsibility.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by DogOnTheWeb »

bug_05992 wrote: post #459
charmides wrote: post #338

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Doesn't mean we can't do our best to minimize suffering.

I would argue that there's no reason to put that kind of moral value on an animal's life. I don't see any reason to believe that minimizing suffering is equivalent to maximizing good, not in the real world where real things happen. Morality must always be tempered by reality. Sometimes suffering of some form must be endured in order to improve a situation.(Example: Your body will induce fever in an attempt to kill of…

> There seems to be an interesting cultural view that it's morally acceptable to butcher cows, but not dogs or cats.

I think you nailed it right there with no need to reconcile further.

Most people are horrified at killing or eating dogs and cats, but not other animals, because it's the cultural norm. It's the reason you hear people say, "Why did you decide to become a vegetarian?" and never hear, "Why did you decide to eat animals?"

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by r00fus »

austhrow743 wrote: post #456
woodruffw wrote: post #208

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It's my business because, should they have it their way, I wouldn't be alive. Asking people to be tolerant of ideologies that pose an existential threat is contradictory at best.

People have cooperated with existential threats for economic gain for a very long time. Trade today, kill each other tomorrow. It's not contradictory at all.

And what kinds of societies and organizations so these dire situations blossom in? Crime organizations, autocratic regimes and slavery countries.

Sorry I don't want to work for or live in that kind of setting. I wouldn't want anyone to be forced to do so.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by dang »

megaremote wrote: post #108

> Why are companies promoting "pride"...telling workers to attend 'lgbt tolerance' meetings,etc... Wth!!!! You ask this question, then answer it in your very next line. People don't respect everyone. They are intolerant.

That's much too shallow, generic, and flamebaity a tangent to lead anywhere other than a stupid ideological flamewar, which is what we got.

Ideological flamewars are stupid, even if the people contributing to them are smart. They're also repetitive, which makes them off topic here. So could you please not post like this again to HN?

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17864365 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by Izkata »

casiotone wrote: post #369
yellowapple wrote: post #358

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Not with that attitude you can't. Racists aren't (usually) racists for the fun of it. Racists are racists because they feel threatened by or lack sufficient exposure to / understanding of other races. If your goal is to cure racism, then making racists feel even more threatened is probably the least productive way of going about it. Instead, the trick is to befriend them. Show them that there's nothing to fear. These…

> Instead, the trick is to befriend them. Show them that there's nothing to fear. This doesn’t work[1]. Allowing parasitical ideology the space to express itself only emboldens it. [1] All of recorded history

> This doesn’t work

Except it does: https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinc...

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by dang »

mce1123 wrote: post #389
aluren wrote: post #170

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I don't mean any offense, but it has been my experience that people who can afford to "put politics aside", so to speak, are people from demographics who didn't have politics "happen" to them. When you are gay or trans and a significant chunk of people find your mere existence revolting, when you are black and a significant chunk of people believe you are innately less intelligent and more prone to violence, when you…

The politics that's happening to you, if you're in a western republic or democracy, is one that created and maintains unprecedented safety and freedom otherwise alien to human existence.

Please don't post generic ideological comments to HN. They just lead further off topic and deep into flames.

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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by [deleted] »

mcphage wrote: post #328
_8j50 wrote: post #163

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You only say that because it's convenient for you. You would not like it one bit at the conservative places I worked at. It really is a two way street and u-turns are allowed.

> You would not like it one bit at the conservative places I worked at. So the commenter says that he looks forward to the next generation of developers not experiencing the hate that he has experienced. You say, he’d be unhappy at conservative places, presumably because he’d still experience that hate. So then why do you wonder why he pushes for politics in the workforce? His goal—hell, it should be all of our goal—…

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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by badcede »

askafriend wrote: post #232
_8j50 wrote: post #84

Worked across very liberal and very conservative places in tech. Neither is pleasant. In my opinion, the American self-image and self-worth largely characterized by subscription to a political ideology is the problem. What bothers me is not dress codes,free meals,open offices,etc... But the very idea that a company would display or promote politics in the work place. Why are companies promoting "pride",donating to tr…

Your mistake is in thinking that you can separate out politics from "work" or any other concept. What you fail to realize is that everything is political. Everything. Politics isn't some concrete, easily identifiable thing you can point at. You can't separate out things into a "Politics" bucket and a "Not Politics" bucket. No, politics pervades every single human interaction. Politics is in everything and everything…

Politics does not pervade every single interaction. Humans also love.
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