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Re: Alternatives to Google Products

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Post by robbrown451 » Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 10:55 PM UTC

TheCabin wrote: post #316

robbrown451 wrote: post #288

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I don't see how any of this applies to Google. Are you saying that dictators can steal my data from Google? I'd think they'd have an easier time breaking into my house and stealing my computer. By a factor of maybe a thousand.

You don't see how "Reinforcement of monopolies" applies? You don't see how "Self-censorship" applies? The Cambridge Analytica scandal was involving facebook -- do you think they are really far apart from each other? The point "Reinforcement of dictatorships" would apply as soon as the government of the US would be in a less healthy state. The overall point is the following: Google might provide nice services for you…

Self-censorship certainly doesn't apply to me.

Reinforcement of dictatorships? Uhhh.... I actually think Google is a force for good against dictatorships and would-be-autocrats such as the current US administration. That's just the impression I get.

Monopolies is a different issue, it really has nothing to do with privacy. I do care about that one, but it's completely separate and it is not a self-interest issue, but a society at large one. In that sense, I suppose I'm being asked to participate in a boycott.

Re: Alternatives to Google Products

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Post by systoll » Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 11:03 PM UTC

IncRnd wrote: post #455

systoll wrote: post #449

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When you wrote 'like that', I assumed that you meant 'like that'. > I simply said that what had been stated by the gp was also available in Firefox. Given that the gp referred to ITP... no, it's not.

The gp has clarified their comment, since that time. Snark is beneath you.

By the time I posted anything, the post clearly referred ITP.

You were ignoring that nine hours later.

Re: Alternatives to Google Products

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Post by icebraining » Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 11:15 PM UTC

bernardino wrote: post #465

icebraining wrote: post #357

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I generally don't trust GoDaddy, but I don't see how they could violate your privacy. From what I can tell, the worst they could do would be to log DNS queries. If you have a server with a static IP, you can always serve DNS yourself.

Out of curiosity, what domain registar do you use? With GoDaddy, I pay $14.99/yearly for .COM Domain Renewal and $9.99/yearly for Private Domain Registration Renewal. It seems a bit price-y but I'm completely unaware of other competitor's prices.

I use Namecheap, but it's not the cheapest. A couple months ago on a thread here in HN a bunch of people were recommending Porkbun, which seems quite cheap (~$9/year with free private domain), but I've never used them.

Re: Alternatives to Google Products

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 11:16 PM UTC

nickpsecurity wrote: post #152

auslander wrote: post #39

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Apple makes its money from expensive hardware. And respecting your privacy and security helps selling it a lot . And they earned trust by being serious about it for a long time.

Apple actually had some of the worst security for a long time. They even lied about Mac OS being immune to viruses rather than market share so low hackers didn't care about it. They still made piles of money due to great product development and marketing. Their brand was the main, selling point for a long time. The iOS situation is quite a turn around for them on privacy/security. They still sell them on mainly image…

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Re: Alternatives to Google Products

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Post by zyren » Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 11:16 PM UTC

Any alternatives for Inbox? it's one of the biggest reasons im stuck in the google ecosystem.

Re: Alternatives to Google Products

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Post by zyren » Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 11:17 PM UTC

Any alternatives to Inbox? It's one of the biggest reasons why i am stuck in the google ecosystem. I can't go back to a normal email interface anymore.

Re: Alternatives to Google Products

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Post by IncRnd » Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 11:22 PM UTC

systoll wrote: post #472

IncRnd wrote: post #455

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The gp has clarified their comment, since that time. Snark is beneath you.

By the time I posted anything, the post clearly referred ITP. You were ignoring that nine hours later.

The clarification was to add ITP.

Disqus is over that way, if you want to keep arguing without a reason and without reading what others write.

Re: Alternatives to Google Products

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Post by detaro » Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 11:26 PM UTC

parkersweb wrote: post #454

4ad wrote: post #335

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The EU did not make cookies an opt-in technique. The EU made irrelevant cookies opt-in. Cookies that are essential for the functioning of the service do not need a notice. If you require user accounts, you don't need to show a cookie notice. If you implement a shopping cart without user accounts, you also don't need to show a cookie notice. Unfortunately most websites don't understand this simple idea and show the co…

That’s one of the most frustrating aspects of GDPR in relation to cookies - many businesses that could happily run a site with no cookie opt-in end up implementing one anyway because that irritating pop-up gives the end user a perception of ‘handling privacy well’. I’d be so keen for the solution to lie in the browser UX- in the same way as we currently request location information - rather than the current mish-mash…

> That’s one of the most frustrating aspects of GDPR in relation to cookies - many businesses that could happily run a site with no cookie opt-in end up implementing one anyway because that irritating pop-up gives the end user a perception of ‘handling privacy well’.

Have you actually seen examples of that? sad...

Re: Alternatives to Google Products

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Post by zdkl » Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 11:46 PM UTC

lev99 wrote: post #464

zdkl wrote: post #461

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For "receiving end" perspectives, watch Blade Runner (the old one) or Altered Carbon. The Expanse probbly qualifies too. For books, Peter Hamilton incorporates different mega-corps in his universe but it's not the main object. Special mention to the Void Trilogy's Commonwealth.

The Expanse's high-political scene is best described by the balance of powerful sovereigns, and how that changes over time. Companies have a lot of power, but that power is primarily expressed by influence in governments. A company gets mining rights from a U.N. charter by influence. Then the company expects the U.N. military to defend those mining rights. Sometimes the company influences the goverment and sometimes…

I wouldn't throw someone into the deep end of corporatism based on where this thread started ;) I figured the implicitness of my examples' corps' power fits better as an illustration of the potential short term future.

Yours is a terrifying endgame, but it feels (to me) quite far removed from what we should look out for before it's too late.

Re: Alternatives to Google Products

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Post by bpye » Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 11:52 PM UTC

brongondwana wrote: post #439

melloc wrote: post #427

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The biggest thing I've been missing since I started using FastMail is labels. My workflow in GMail used labels pretty heavily, and I've been able to get pretty close using saved searches and folders, but it's not quite the same.

Right, hopefully when JMAP arrives (soon!) you'll be able to use that nicely. It will give label-style handling by allowing the same message to exist in multiple folders.

Kinda hijacking this. When using FastMail with a custom domain can I setup a catch all address and then have each different address somehow tagged? It would be nice to be able to have proper unique email addresses for each service so I know where spam ends up coming from.