Live data from Hacker News

Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 401(k)s

bloomberg.com

471–479 of 479 posts

Re: Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 401(k)s

#471

I'm not planning on Social Security being around by the time I'm old enough to tap into it, and I'm also not planning on having any kids to bail me out when I go senile, so yeah I'm putting a lot into my 401k. I think a lot of people my age (turning 30 next week) are feeling the same way, so I wonder if it's younger workers driving this trend.

> "I'm not planning on Social Security being around by the time I'm old enough to tap into it" You need to change that attitude or your complacency will allow politicians to take it from you. The fact is you pay ~16% of your paycheck into social security and medicare, it is designed to be like a pension. It is not an entitlement, it's your money.

> You need to change that attitude or your complacency will allow politicians to take it from you.

I mean I want the money to be there and will fight tooth and nail to ensure it, but damn if my control over it isn't limited. We still need to look out for ourselves.

Re: Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 401(k)s

#472
post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From your description it sounds like thats the only time it makes sense, to me at least. Ie, the President should hopefully be working for the whole country, not just the most dense areas. I guess another way to look at it is that the president is responsible for such a large area, that population is far less of a concern (in my view) . S/he should know not to set laws that focus on a locality, because the states can…

> From your description it sounds like thats the only time it makes sense, to me at least. Ie, the President should hopefully be working for the whole country, not just the most dense areas. But that's not the alternative proposed. The alternative proposed is that a human in a sparsely populated area gets MORE influence than a human in a densely populated area. If you go with the national popular vote idea, the Presi…

[deleted]

Re: Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 401(k)s

#473
post #301
post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should be scared, in Canada the government pushed the retirement age from 65 to 67 so that's 2 years more of working and 2 more years before you have access to your own cash.

That is for CPP/OAS which is the equivalent of US Social Security. You don't get access to your own cash - that goes to current retirees. You pay to current retirees for longer and start getting access to current workers' cash later. Canada's RRSPs are actually a much better system. They are straight up tax deferral. You can put money into your RRSP at any age up to 70 so long as you have contribution room (ie: you'r…

Thanks for the corrections!

Re: Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 401(k)s

#474
post #300
post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be argued that 100 people living in 3 counties have a greater diversity of concerns and opinions than 100 people sharing an apartment complex.

Is "diversity of concerns" a primary goal of democracy? Obviously for issues that directly affect a local region, I do think those should be handled by a local government. The people in the apartment complex probably ought to have different rules than people in rural counties, each reflecting the concerns of the local population. But there's only one President for the whole country, for better or for worse. It doesn'…

[deleted]

Re: Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 401(k)s

#475

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, but this statement is not true. These numbers require the use of the Social Security trust fund. The Social Security trust fund is a "special issue treasury bond" in which money is deposited and then spent by the US government. So, when the trustees say that Social Security can pay 75% of the benefits, what they mean is that there are enough IOUs in the trust fund to pay 75% of the benefits. But when we st…

Actually, the 75% number is when there is no trust fund whatsoever and all outgoing payments are funded directly by incoming payments. > But when we start redeeming the IOUs You are aware, I'm sure, that said IOUs have been redeemed every year of SS's existence.

Until they aren't. Bear Stearns paid its bills every year until it suddently didn't.

Re: Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 401(k)s

#476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That would eliminate even the thin handkerchief of SS being a sort of mandatory government-run savings program, and not a bald faced tax-and-redistribute system. So bloody what? I've got no problem taking from the rich to fund a basic income to keep the elderly off cat-food. I've got parents and a grandmother left who need Social Security. >When it becomes a straightforward tax, then it'll be attacked like every oth…

> Both Clinton and Bush 2 tried to privatize Social Security. That shows a grave misunderstanding of both proposed solutions to the SA insolvency problem.

I am genuinely curious. Please elaborate the misunderstanding. Thank you.

Re: Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 401(k)s

#477

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. The average Boomer had nothing to do with it. To be fair, the Boomer politicians and business managers didn't screw the Millennials, either. Not directly. They pulled the rug out from the Gen-Xers, and let the domino effect take out the Millennials, too. Yeah, as a generation, we still exist, even though nobody talks about us. The Boomers were the beneficiaries of post-war prosperity, but they also decided to…

> The Boomers were the beneficiaries of post-war prosperity, but they also decided to steal money from the future to finance their generational party/gravy train. I hear this a lot, but what exactly do you mean? The real reason we don't have the same great lifestyles our (let's be honest - mostly white, male) parents and grandparents did is because no one can get a good paying factory job right out of high school any…

I don't know about your family, but 50% of my ancestors were female.

What I mean is that as Boomers took control of government and business from the previous generation, they overwhelmingly preferred current consumption over future growth. They preferred to benefit their own generation rather than attempt to improve the lot of future generations. And in many cases, they took on a lot of public debt, spent it for private benefit, and mailed the bill ahead to the year 2030. Then they forgot to build the businesses, infrastructure, and capital investments that are absolutely required to be able to pay not just the interest, but the principal, too.

So now we get events like interstate highway bridges collapsing into the Mississippi River. But we can't have that, so instead how about we sell an interstate highway bridge to a private company and let them collect tolls on it? Then maintenance is their problem, right? Oh, and hey, we're driving cities into bankruptcy with the benefits we voted to ourselves, so let's make sure that rather than avoid the bankruptcy by stepping back some of our own foolish economic choices, we instead focus our efforts on making sure they can't discharge those future obligations when the bankruptcy happens. And when retirement benefits finally exceed the productive capacity of all the working people in the nation, the Boomers will mostly be dead already, and the Gen-Xers will be the ones stuck scavenging meals from the garbage while dodging the roving bands of Gen-Z cannibal marauders in their spiky, Mad-Max-style wasteland buggies.

It's all just exactly what can go wrong when you have too much democratic leverage in your republic. The Boomers had just enough of a numeric advantage over other generational voting blocs that they got a disproportionately large share of representation. Then they just voted themselves all the cookies out of the cookie jar.

Re: Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 401(k)s

#478
post #97
post #79

401k is such a scam, you get a handful of high fee funds to invest in. Wall Street thieves billions of dollars, all sanctioned by the government and encouraged by the financial advise industry. Employees should only contribute to a 401k up to any employer match. Beyond that put your money in an IRA.

My 401k has better funds than I could ever get in my IRA. Yes, many 401k's have terrible fund choices but by no means do all of them fall prey to that. Also, if you're maxing out both your IRA and 401k limits, even if you have a lousy 401k, you now have tax-advantaged dollars that you can roll over to Vanguard or Fidelity when you change jobs.

Why do you think the funds in your 401k are better than you could ever get in your IRA? You can open an IRA account anywhere you want. If the funds available where you are now aren't good, just move somewhere with better choices.

Re: Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 401(k)s

#479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's great that you've recognized your duty to your family, but what happens when your children retire? What process is in place to help them? Current projects barely keep things solvent for the retiring baby boomer generation. Robbing Peter to pay Paul isn't sustainable [1], but that's what social security is. Social security is not a guaranteed solution. If we have to raise taxes or collect additional taxes, that…

We already have a sustainable solution: admit more people to the workforce via immigration. As more of the baby boomers die off over the next `03 years, the pool of retirees collecting social security will shrink back towards the mean. You seem to be under the impression that the demographic bulge is a one-way thing.

This is not a sustainable solution.

This is kicking the can down the road.

The population of any closed system, whether country, continent, or even planet, cannot grow indefinitely. And any system that expects indefinite growth to sustain itself will invariably become exhausted when rate out exceeds rate in for a sufficient duration.

Immigration alone may be a stopgap, but it is by no means a solution.

Post reply on HN