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Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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I agree completely with you on this matter and this change will probably bring me back to using SMS and email more. I really hope RCS will catch on in the future, but there are extra obstacles in addition of all these competing corporate silos of this happening - carriers. Depressing.

RCS? Would that be: http://www.richcommunicationsuite.com/ ?

Yup. I wonder what Google could do in this space.

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3045125/mobile-apps/goo...

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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I see it the opposite way. Using Messenge could give you a great way to use facebook without subjecting yourself to the News Feed Giant Tentacled Monster. Why not use Messenger without Facebook? My reason not to use Facebook was because it trivializes friendships. With Facebook, I wouldn't have to go out of my way to be "friends" with someone, so the relationship would be less meaningful. But Messenger doesn't share…

There's a ton of reasons to not use Messenger. 1. The mandatory "seen" indicator 2. All of your messages are beholden to a private company, permanently stored in plaintext 3. They analyze said messages to deliver advertisements. Seriously, one time I mentioned buying a Samsung SSD to my friend in chat, and all of a sudden I got a ton of SSD advertisements on the sidebar. Same thing when I mentioned Rick and Morty. 4.…

1. This is ubiquitous among chat apps. 2. This is not likely to remain the case for long, among rumors Messenger is adding end-to-end encryption. 3. There is no evidence they analyze messages for ads. Zero. All attempts to prove this have been disproven. 4. This is not an argument.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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RCS? Would that be: http://www.richcommunicationsuite.com/ ?

Yup. I wonder what Google could do in this space. http://www.computerworld.com/article/3045125/mobile-apps/goo...

As far as I can gather from Google.io, build another silo with RCS technology?

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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It's really sad to me to see a bunch of intelligent people here being led like sheep by Facebook (no, this isn't a sheeple post, hear me out) Virtually everyone here complains "Facebook does XYZ really bad but I still use them because all my friends are there". I have a solution. Why don't you get all your friends off there? Pick a platform that you really like and start evangelising. The only reason why Facebook has…

Why? I like Facebook. It's a pretty well designed social application. I'm using it a lot more than I was a year ago, primarily for interacting with technology groups on it. Some people just like complaining. Really people should complain about Twitter's inability to innovate at all. They were the one Western Social Network capable of taking FB on, and yet it's basically the same thing it was 5 years ago. I use Twitte…

For me, it's two reasons. First, they have a history of changing their policies that mess with what the user has explicitly set in the past (e.g., changing all the e-mails to facebook.com ones, changing private things to public). That's what prevents me from using Facebook.

But, for those that use Facebook, the apps have a history of being poorly written and do things that drain your battery even when you're not actually using the app. That's why people want to use the web interface. At least with the web interface they know the web browser should be reasonably behaved. Making this change to push people to the app instead of using the web means that you now have to watch your app battery usage more closely if you start using Messenger.

On iOS (I don't know about Android) you can see how much time app is spending in background. If it's an app designed to run in the background like a music or podcast player, seeing a lot of background time is normal. For an app like Facebook, that's a problem. Every few days I check my battery usage per app and it all breaks down pretty much as I expect. The apps I use the most are all using the most battery and in the rough proportions I expect. That's not been the case recently with Facebook at least according to the stories I've read documenting the problem.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Indeed! Though one example of a big company who has (notoriously) zero presence on any social networks would be Apple.

Not quite zero, a couple of months ago they launched a support channel on Twitter. https://twitter.com/AppleSupport

They also have some accounts for specific things, but no general Apple one. The support channel is about the closest to an official overall Apple account. The support channel seems to be pretty decent so far.

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Android Chrome supports push notifications, even when the browser is not loaded.

I keep saying this in every comment I made on this thread, but I'm talking about the entire mobile ecosystem. Who cares if Android Chrome supports it, iOS doesn't. Which means it's not a 100% coverage. Just by letting this happen you are providing a low quality service to not just the iOS users but also the Android users, since there will be an assumption that the recipient doesn't always get the message in realtime.…

Many of the (non-techie) people I know have Whatsapp push notifications disabled, because otherwise there are way too many of them.

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There's a ton of reasons to not use Messenger. 1. The mandatory "seen" indicator 2. All of your messages are beholden to a private company, permanently stored in plaintext 3. They analyze said messages to deliver advertisements. Seriously, one time I mentioned buying a Samsung SSD to my friend in chat, and all of a sudden I got a ton of SSD advertisements on the sidebar. Same thing when I mentioned Rick and Morty. 4.…

Most of these sound like reasons not to use Facebook in general. While the seen indicator is a legitimate annoyance, it's been commonplace for some years now. I don't know of a modern chat app that doesn't have it. As for the rest of your points, Facebook's money comes from ads. These concerns are not limited to chat, but using Facebook in general. As you browse the web, Facebook is tracking you and using the data to…

Problems of Messenger App (and not Facebook company): 1. Can't log out 2. Can't turn off the 'online' indicator 3. 'Seen' indicator

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Some people don't want any Facebook software in their phones for legitimate privacy reasons.

What is it that Messenger the app can access that Messenger via Facebook cannot, for people who take their privacy seriously?

I don't put any Facebook software on my phone, including Instagram, WhatsApp, Facebook, and Facebook Messenger. The reason they are forcing people to use Facebook Messenger is to force people who only use the website to install software that tracks you.
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