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Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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This announcement coming on the same day as the post about Facebook not using the microphone in the app seems strange to me. I don't want any Facebook apps on my phone due to privacy and tracking reasons, and so I used the web view (with an app wrapper like Tinfoil with location disabled), now I won't be able to send messages any longer. Guess I won't be using Messenger any longer.

Folio and Swipe for Facebook use mbasic.facebook.com and are being actively worked on.

It's a loosing game to use "open" web solutions to provide a third party application to these silos. Twitter already killed themselves this way (they're just too big to die quickly), and I think facebook will too.

Facebook as "facebook" is useful and fun, and a way to connect with people and share stuff. Facebook as "messenger" is phone service. It's infrastructure that's part of your life. It's part of direct human contact. It's way too risky to trust to an entity like Facebook (or Google).

If these companies had "invented" email, we'd been set back decades. Just look at how badly MS manages to preform as a netcitizen with Exchange and Outlook (for no good technical reason). Without the network effect and competition that the open email standards push, we'd all be faxing print-outs between hobbled messaging silos.

I mean, we're still using SMS. SMS! Because the big boys couldn't agree to just have user@facebook talk to user@outlook and user@google or user@apple in a sane way! Both FB and Google even had XMPP going for a while, but didn't even federate with each other. It's as if Gmail suddenly stopped accepting external mail (not that their magic black holing isn't annoying enough to work around as it is).

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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I only use facebook over the browser when using my phone. The facebook applications request an appalling number of permissions... never mind the general intrusiveness and battery hogging. Screw you Facebook.

Android 6 fixes this excessive need for permissions by mobile apps. You only grant permission at runtime and can withdraw it at anytime.

As far as I know, it's still tricky to install an app, then revoke all permissions before the app can possibly run? It would be different if no apps got any permissions by default, and they all had to "prompt on first use" - but that's not how it works, or is it?

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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User-hostile moves like this fill me with deep, deep frustration.

Which is why they started doing them only after they have achieved world domination. Where are you going to go, myspace? Google+? To quote Mel Brooks' brilliant "History of the World, Part I" - "It's good to be the king".

More than 50% of my time is spent chatting in a specific small group of friends. We used Whatsapp before (when they didn’t have web access). Before switching to Facebook I tried convincing them to try Slack but alas that option lost out. Too bad, because I think Slack is a really good platform.

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Simple yes, practical no.

Practical enough for me. The only thing I use Facebook for is to say "Thank you" when folks wish me a happy birthday on my "wall". For literally everything else, the friends and family worth talking to have gotten the message that I'm not reliably reachable on Facebook and therefore should be reached by other means (and if they're worth talking to, they should already have my phone number and/or email address). It's…

Then why do you even have a facebook account?

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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I have stopped using Facebook (Twitter and everything social) half a decade ago. I don't use messaging apps and turn on my phone only when I really need to. Result: more free time to do interesting and productive things and people aren't bothering me as much. I have taken control of my life and I'm not being pushed around to do things based on notifications or desire for artificial status(likes, retweet, stars). Stop…

How is HN not a social network? (I'm not being snarky, I'm just curious on your line of thinking here)

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Apologies, my computer mouse malfunctioned and I downvoted you while swapping between windows, and I felt so bad about doing so I feel compelled to comment :( And I actually agree with you...

Well, I did not intent to vote that post, but now I upvoted it just to undo your mistake.

He agreed with him so I just upvoted his post to give him back the upvote he meant.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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So glad they're doing this. FB messenger is just about my favourite messenger - it beats the pants off iMessage and isn't as annoying as WhatsApp (the UX around starting a conversation with a new person in whatsapp is super shit).

It was really annoying that there's some holdouts where voice chat doesn't work (has anyone noticed how much better the quality of voice chat over FB messenger or iMessage is, vs phone calls). Or where they didn't get my messages because they didn't have notificartions set up for FB messenger.

Glad they're fixing this (and I might be the only person on HN who is :))

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Help me understand - why is this so bad?

Some people don't want any Facebook software in their phones for legitimate privacy reasons.

What is it that Messenger the app can access that Messenger via Facebook cannot, for people who take their privacy seriously?

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Android 6 fixes this excessive need for permissions by mobile apps. You only grant permission at runtime and can withdraw it at anytime.

As far as I know, it's still tricky to install an app, then revoke all permissions before the app can possibly run? It would be different if no apps got any permissions by default, and they all had to "prompt on first use" - but that's not how it works, or is it?

That's how it works for apps targeting API 23 (Marshmallow).
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