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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by adamddev1 »

inigyou wrote: post #420
skinfaxi wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is hand made code? Does that mean no auto complete? No linters?

If a carpenter uses a table saw, is he still a carpenter? What if he just throws wood randomly at the table saw and tries to sell whatever pieces come out? (Never do this with a table saw, btw. They can, and will if you don't use proper procedures, throw wood sideways at speeds that can punch through walls and impale people)

This is an excellent analogy that shows how LLMs are fundamentally different than linters, auto-complete, or transpilers.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

Orygin wrote: post #292
hellcow wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did we read the same article? > To us, it seems ridiculous to see projects with a single developer and virtually no users consuming as much or even more resources than some of the largest community projects on Codeberg, which operate frugal with CI/CD and storage resources. We do not believe it is reasonable for Codeberg to invest our precious donation money into hosting of large ghost projects. This seems like a sta…

Had they limited CI/CD depending on the project "community" (whatever that means), that would be a reasonable take. Instead they ban something tangential to the discussion. I can publish human slop and use loads of their resources without any LLM use.

I suspect they already did this a few times and then concluded, "you know what? This whole LLM thing is stupid. Why do we waste our time adjusting their resource limits when we could just remove the whole thing?"

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by squigz »

pessimizer wrote: post #358
squigz wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using RMS as an example of "how to not be political" is uh... interesting.

RMS headed a political organization, and kept his political campaigning to things directly related to the politics that his organization represented. The people who were angry at RMS's "politics" were always actually mad at the concept of Free Software in general, and the fact that RMS thinks that software that is not Free is bad software (and does not think you are an exception.) He wasn't banging on about trans rig…

Taking a stand against LLMs certainly seems pretty related to the politics of the FOSS movement.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

Hendrikto wrote: post #346
witx wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Free software was never neutral. You think Stallman and Torvalds did what they did because they were neutral? If I dont like the direction an open source project is taking and I fork it. Does make it less free? By your line of thought project should all have MIT licenses because you should not add restrictions

> You think Stallman and Torvalds did what they did because they were neutral? Is that a joke? Both have made it abundantly clear that yes, this is their stance. Let me quote literally the FIRST freedom RMS put into writing: > The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose. This is explicitly free and neutral. "for any purpose", no restrictions. Linus endorsed this stance by licensing the kernel under GP…

Is Linux neutral against proprietary forks?

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

bel8 wrote: post #107
Yokohiii wrote: post #37

I wonder how anyone can migrate to codeberg. Every time I check, the site is lagging. Few days ago I registered and tried to create a repository. I couldn't, site busy or something. The migration towards codeberg already started a while ago, don't see how it can scale.

Perhaps they started banning entire categories of projects so their infra could actually work again. Banning a portion of their community is... one way to reduce server load.

Are they even part of the community, or do they show up, demand resources, and leave?

There are registered paying members with voting rights. You can easily become one. Clearly not many of them are vibecoders.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by jasonvorhe »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #247
selfhoster1312 wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but you are completely out of touch with reality. This is a non-profit calling on their members to vote. Non-members didn't have a say, so a random member posting on Mastodon is not going to influence the results in the way that you imply (i.e. trolls raiding an online form). Also, despite what your remote view suggests, members of non-profits usually have political opinions. Codeberg was founded for politi…

I see multiple people in the replies that all confirm they voted in favor. I never claimed anyone could vote.

*everyone

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

gs17 wrote: post #134
bayindirh wrote: post #6

For a more informed discussion about what's banned and what's not, I'm leaving here this discussion on Mastodon: https://tldr.nettime.org/@tante/116962454004862117 TL;DR: AI assisted coding, when used responsibly, is not banned, however one-shotting something via vibe-coding and hosting it as a complete project, is. Also, Codeberg always had a limit on private repositories and never wanted to be a place for non-FLOSS…

> TL;DR: AI assisted coding, when used responsibly, is not banned, however one-shotting something via vibe-coding and hosting it as a complete project, is. Doesn't seem to be what they put in their ToS: >You must not share projects that mostly consist of code written by "generative AI"-tools Unless you've defined "responsibly" in a funny way.

"mostly" is the operative word. Use of generative AI is allowed.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

sreekanth850 wrote: post #218

Instead of banning all LLM based repositories, they could introduce rules to discourage one shot code dumps. For example, if a repository remains inactive for more than a year, with no commits or other activity, the owner could receive a warning before the repository is removed. I’m seeing hundreds of LLM generated repositories that are published once and then abandoned with no any activity further

I think their humans are reviewing the repositories that are created. This is probably strange to Americans accustomed to everything being an automated process at a faceless corporation.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by duxup »

inigyou wrote: post #452
duxup wrote: post #437

It’s interesting how many revolutions and even small efforts surrounding the concept of freedom very quickly go from “freedom” to “no actually I mean freedom for things I like”. It’s a constant pattern. Principles are hard I guess.

I know. So many platforms don't provide freedom for CSAM.

I think there is space in “things that are illegal / harm” and other choices.

Freedom in general is always a compromise to some extent.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by eddd-ddde »

progbits wrote: post #390
hedora wrote: post #385

So, I guess Codeberg doesn't meet the free software bar any more. The FSF defines four freedoms, and they are all pretty clearly being violated by the no LLM policy. They're blocking people based on how they use codeberg (freedom 0), preventing less experienced users from improving / modifying code (freedom 1), based on an argument that you can modify software, but only how they tell you to, and certainly not with an…

Codeberg is not software. Forgejo is, and remains FOSS. Codeberg provides a free service and is under no obligation to cater to cryptobros and vibecoders. You can buy a VM and host your own.

Not sure why this is down voted.

You cannot support FOSS and then get mad when people use those freedoms to create a service that matches their ideas and philosophies.

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