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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by Hendrikto »

witx wrote: post #289
Hendrikto wrote: post #278

> a hub built around “free software” is now telling its users which kinds of software are deemed good and which are not, and that is closer to censorship than it might seem. Once a platform writes into its terms that an entire category “harms its reputation” and can be removed on that basis, the deciding factor stops being whether the code is legal, or functional, or useful, and becomes whether it aligns with a posit…

Providers should host whatever they feel like hosting. Models were nost likely trained on stolen content, so not allowing vibecoded is taking a stance in favour of free software. You people keep forgetting that free software is inherintly political and so platforms are more than wellcome of taking a stance. If you don't like don't use it. Quite simple

Free software is about freedom and liberty. Sure, you can decide to prohibit certain use cases. That is absolutely legal and absolutely okay to do. But it makes you non-neutral and non-free.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by adamddev1 »

Hendrikto wrote: post #285
adamddev1 wrote: post #132

> In addition, Codeberg conflates “having a community” with “being legitimate software worth hosting” I don't think this is a fair summary. I don't see this conflation in Codeberg's blog post. The words in quotation marks don't actually exist in Codeberg's blog post. It seems that what they are saying is: In a free hosting platform where we share all the resources, it's not fair that some people using LLMs are using…

If you can’t keep up with the load, say that. Limit new signups and/or implement rate limiting, and ideally scale up if you can. DO NOT try to spin that into taking some form of moral high ground. DO NOT make yourself the arbiter of what is and is not considered a worthwhile project. That is not neutral. That is not free.

They're not obligated to deal with the higher load brought on by people's LLM coded projects, CI pipelines etc. In order to keep things freed up and flexible for others, I think it's fair for them to say, "in this community, we're going to save the space for more hand-coded projects."

It's not fair for everyone to have to eat the costs of AI (like communities getting bulldozed for data centers) and just accept that it has to be used.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by Hendrikto »

adamddev1 wrote: post #302
Hendrikto wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can’t keep up with the load, say that. Limit new signups and/or implement rate limiting, and ideally scale up if you can. DO NOT try to spin that into taking some form of moral high ground. DO NOT make yourself the arbiter of what is and is not considered a worthwhile project. That is not neutral. That is not free.

They're not obligated to deal with the higher load brought on by people's LLM coded projects, CI pipelines etc. In order to keep things freed up and flexible for others, I think it's fair for them to say, "in this community, we're going to save the space for more hand-coded projects." It's not fair for everyone to have to eat the costs of AI (like communities getting bulldozed for data centers) and just accept that i…

Of course nobody is obligated and I never claimed that. In fact, I fucking hate the LLM hypetrain. But this decision is decidedly non-neutral and non-free.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by Ekaros »

Hendrikto wrote: post #301
witx wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Providers should host whatever they feel like hosting. Models were nost likely trained on stolen content, so not allowing vibecoded is taking a stance in favour of free software. You people keep forgetting that free software is inherintly political and so platforms are more than wellcome of taking a stance. If you don't like don't use it. Quite simple

Free software is about freedom and liberty. Sure, you can decide to prohibit certain use cases. That is absolutely legal and absolutely okay to do. But it makes you non-neutral and non-free.

Just because you are making free software doesn't mean you should get everything for free.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by skydhash »

therealpygon wrote: post #73
Aachen wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hah, that's a unique argument. I haven't before been quizzed on how much time I spend with unpopular software. Do you have a minute? xD I think I use more unpopular software than 99% of the world population. Besides that it's part of my job to security test what are usually internal applications (every ~two weeks a new one), I also use basically only software from F-Droid and the Debian repositories, pulling only the…

I have all the time in the world for interesting topics of debate. I’ve equally reviewed quite a lot of poorly written tools, libraries, and APIs in the search for far less mainstream solutions to complex problems; guess our conclusions on what quality we found differ, which is the human experience. Like I said, I’m not claiming AI outperforms in quality in all cases; it can be just as bad as human code can be. I jus…

Human written is not a proxy of good code. But human written and published on a hosting platform (with the additional artifacts like docs, build system, tests) are generally good. While LLM may generate all of these, but they are slop.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

> the deciding factor stops being whether the code is legal, or functional, or useful, and becomes whether it aligns with a position the platform has taken

Yes, and?

I don't want you wearing football shirts in my pub. People wearing football shirts tend to cause trouble because someone who likes a different colour sees the shirt and kicks off. Leave it outside my pub.

People need to understand that there's a difference between "You're not allowed to do that" and "You're not allowed to do that *here*, because this is my house and my rules".

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by oooyay »

adamddev1 wrote: post #132

> In addition, Codeberg conflates “having a community” with “being legitimate software worth hosting” I don't think this is a fair summary. I don't see this conflation in Codeberg's blog post. The words in quotation marks don't actually exist in Codeberg's blog post. It seems that what they are saying is: In a free hosting platform where we share all the resources, it's not fair that some people using LLMs are using…

Resources were never part of the original discussion. It was about values. This is the author of the ToU addition the day it landed: https://mastodon.social/@gedankenstuecke@scholar.social/1169...

He also has a lot of posts since: https://mastodon.social/@gedankenstuecke@scholar.social

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

layer8 wrote: post #265
chmod775 wrote: post #250

Keeping up with this stuff is for people who define their identity through virtue signalling and whatever personality trait they have decided to make the problem of everyone around them. Let them have their little corner of the internet and just stay away. There's plenty of alternatives run by people who don't feel the need to bring their personal baggage into a cooperative environment.

What are these plentiful alternatives? SourceHut also comes with “personal baggage”.

  docker run data.forgejo.org/forgejo/runner:12 forgejo-runner
I thought this was supposed to be a site for hackers? Apply some Hacker Nature to the problem.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by mexicocitinluez »

BadBadJellyBean wrote: post #294

The problem I see with the change in their rules is that they have created an unenforceable or worse arbitrarily enforced rule. There is no sure way to identify LLM code. I could write a project by hand with all the GPT "mannerisms" for fun. I could sign my commits with "Co-Authored-By: Claude" because my cat's name is Claude and I find it funny. Now this rule will either be never applied or when it's applied it will…

Also, the there are hundreds of ways to use these tools. From semi-intelligent autocomplete to fully agent-driven. Where's the line? What if I had an LLM clean up a fairly long stored procedure? Is that single action now forbidding me from ever uploading that code base to Codeberg? What if no other part of my code was written using LLMs?

> Now this rule will either be never applied or when it's applied it will be an arbitrary decision made with mostly inconclusive "evidence".

Or people just lie. Which is the whole problem with not having a strong way to determine code's origin. And it's also a tad ridiculous because if done correctly, the seams between my thoughts and those of the agent shouldn't be apparent. If it's utilizing existing patterns in my codebase that I've written by hand, then you wouldn't even know.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by witx »

Hendrikto wrote: post #301
witx wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Providers should host whatever they feel like hosting. Models were nost likely trained on stolen content, so not allowing vibecoded is taking a stance in favour of free software. You people keep forgetting that free software is inherintly political and so platforms are more than wellcome of taking a stance. If you don't like don't use it. Quite simple

Free software is about freedom and liberty. Sure, you can decide to prohibit certain use cases. That is absolutely legal and absolutely okay to do. But it makes you non-neutral and non-free.

What? Free software was never neutral. You think Stallman and Torvalds did what they did because they were neutral?

If I dont like the direction an open source project is taking and I fork it. Does make it less free?

By your line of thought project should all have MIT licenses because you should not add restrictions

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