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Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by schnitzelstoat »

llelouch wrote: post #353
nsingh2 wrote: post #217

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It's such an obviously bad policy, it's mind-boggling that they thought this was a good idea. It just breeds paranoia and mistrust, especially when people are already a bit paranoid about silent model quantification for cost cutting reasons.

What's the alternative? Not release the model at all? "Make the guardrails better" isn't very hard and probably not worth the effort.

That seems to be working well for Mythos. Just never release it and keep talking about how 'dangerous' it is to pump up the IPO price.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by [deleted] »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #222
mike-cardwell wrote: post #67

I spend a lot of time telling Opus 4.8 to search for security bugs in the code it wrote, and it spends a lot of time finding them, and then fixing them. Fable wont let me fix the security issues that Opus 4.8 created.

Yeah, this breaks the notion that the technical debt you're accumulating with today's AI can be fixed by tommorrow's AI. Tomorrows AI may either refuse, or silently mess up your code because Anthropic don't like what you're working on.

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Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by ethbr1 »

vidarh wrote: post #435
soco wrote: post #421

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How do you do that without sounding negative? Because by doing that there's the risk of the general impression "we didn't agree", as you basically focused on the disagreements.

"You're totally right about X and Y. I think the only thing we disagree about is Z". People like being told they're right, and you then downplay the importance of the actual remaining disagreement. Often that lowers the stakes for people. They've already "won" since you agreed with most of what they said, so the rest becomes less important.

Repeating back what someone said (specifically: trying to mirror their exact words as best you can remember them) also has proven psychological effects: increased empathy and calming of your own emotional response and theirs.

It's a component of a few psych frameworks around improving interpersonal conflict. Ref: https://hartsteinpsychological.com/the-power-of-active-liste...

Short template form is "What I think I heard you say is (repeat their words as exactly as possible)? Did I get that right?"

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by [deleted] »

gck1 wrote: post #286
mike-cardwell wrote: post #67

I spend a lot of time telling Opus 4.8 to search for security bugs in the code it wrote, and it spends a lot of time finding them, and then fixing them. Fable wont let me fix the security issues that Opus 4.8 created.

All you need is a little bit more money, a few millions will do, and you're on board with access to non-nerfed model. Sounds like a fair deal to me.

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Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by ethbr1 »

airstrike wrote: post #334
gorgoiler wrote: post #309

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They’ve bought up all the RAM and GPUs… Is there an endgame where even this is considered overly complex? Instead of starving the competition by buying up all the compute, why not just buy up… all the money!? Hoover up as much investment capital as possible so that your competitors can’t get funding.

I assume this is an honest question, in which case the answer is funding is not really finite.

Funding can be illiquid for limited spans of time: i.e. pre-IPO.

Anthropic / OpenAI / SpaceX going public makes it easier for capital to both flow to and away from them.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by lobocinza »

viking123 wrote: post #404
gck1 wrote: post #284

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No big pockets and ask it to review your own codebase for security issues? You hacker. Ban. Anthropic simply can't be allowed to succeed. This is the most E Corp shit I've seen since I've been alive.

Amodei is worse psychopath than Altman, and by far

Could you explain why?

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by KeplerBoy »

theLiminator wrote: post #151
SwellJoe wrote: post #116

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I think we agree? What moat? You answered yourself: "capital intensive" But, history says the supercomputer of today will fit in your pocket in a few years. They've bought up all the RAM and GPUs, which pushes the capital requirements upward for everyone else. But, they can't corner the market forever, there are too many competing interests. AMD and Intel keep making new GPUs and APUs. The memory makers can't just se…

> But, history says the supercomputer of today will fit in your pocket in a few years. I don't think this will be true in the same time span anymore. Each miniaturization is costing more and more money. Perhaps they'll come up with exotic fundamental improvements, but I don't think the rate of improvement of compute/watt will match the previous decades.

That has never been true, unfortunately. The 2005 top500 was led by bluegene/L achieving 280 FP64 TFlop/s.

Apple is talking about 17.5 FP16 TFlop/s on the iphone 17 neural engine. So 20 years later we are still nowhere near, not even at reduced precision.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by [deleted] »

gck1 wrote: post #383
port11 wrote: post #381

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It’s not pretty, but if Anthropic is the E Corp of this timeline, we’re not being creative enough. There’s better targets out there for this comparison.

They're just getting started, and every statement/decision they make becomes more concerning than the previous one. Isn't it concerning that a single company unilaterally decided for the world that they're the ultimate gatekeepers and they decide who gets access to the frontier artifical intelligence and in which capacity? Who elected Amodei to decide which projects get to have the access to a dual-use cyber model an…

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Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by windexh8er »

pixl97 wrote: post #179
windexh8er wrote: post #156

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You're confusing 'didn't understand it' with 'didn't buy it.' Only one of those is a comprehension issue, and it's not mine.

No, you pretty obviously didn't understand it, at least in the sense of ASI being talked about. The whole "oh don't buy it" stops mattering. Humans are no longer the sole creators of information and intelligence. That is AI no longer has to steal, but humans will have to beg, borrow, or steal the information/products that ASI creates.

I didn't say "buy" anything. You've clearly bought into the narrative that ASI is even remotely possible with current architectures. You've chosen to ignore all of the lies that have thus far failed to come to fruition. The assumption is an insane leap from models in a loop that have no intelligence to models taking over the "sole creators of information and intelligence". Anthropic marketing is doing a phenomenal job for a large portion of those in the bubble.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by scottydelta »

It's not silent anymore, It just showed me this:

Fable 5's safety measures flagged this message for cybersecurity or biology topics. They may flag safe, normal content as well. These measures let us bring you Mythos-level capability in other areas sooner, and we're working to refine them. Switched to Opus 4.8. Send feedback with /feedback or learn more ⎿ Tip: You can configure model switch behavior in /config

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