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Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by pembrook »

pantsforbirds wrote: post #438
analogpixel wrote: post #351

- Grok, post your release to HN - Grok, use the 23 accounts you have created, to write positive reviews for yourself, don't use emdashes, they are catching on to that. - Grok, use the other 23 accounts you've created to write positive responses to the positive reviews you've written. Try to throw in some comments about how great Elon Musk is. - Grok, monitor the thread and down vote anyone that talks negatively about…

I don't understand why people on this website hate Grok for being tied to Elon Musk, but also have no problem with models that are directly sponsored by the CCP.

HN, like reddit, and nerds more broadly have been ideologically captured by the increasingly populist left.

Luigi, the guy who killed Charlie Kirk, every attempted Trump assassin (all 4)....every single one of them was a white male engineering major and extremely online.

That is the exact demographic who hangs out here. Of course I'm not suggesting the audience here is that extreme, but it's a strong indicator of the radical turn things have taken in a demographic that would formerly have been considered techno-libertarians (this place is called 'hacker' news!).

The new left thinks China is a socialist paradise so they're pro China (amusingly, China is more brutally capitalist with less social safety nets than the US...but let's not let reality get in the way of vibes). Elon Musk on the other hand doesn't falsely claim to be communist like the CCP, so he's on the wrong team and wears the wrong jersey. And can sometimes being annoying about it. It's that simple.

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by knicholes »

sheepscreek wrote: post #370

I’m surprised no one is commenting on how cheap this is compared to Opus 4.x and GPT-5.5. $1.25 / $2.50 for every M input and output tokens. Is this is a smaller less powerful model? What am I missing?

At work, I've found a strong moral resistance within my colleagues against anything involving Elon Musk and which data he allows to be used to train his models.

Look at the comments. They're here, too. "So, we have: - claude for corps and gov - codex for devs - grok for what, roleplay, racism? Those are the two things I've ever heard grok associated with around me."

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by idiotsecant »

Romario77 wrote: post #378
sundarurfriend wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the most basic level of eval, of whether they can produce output that will be considered by someone somewhere (usually a young urban US American) as informal toned. Real human communication is far more nuanced than this, different groups have different linguistic registers they're used to and things outside it sound odd even if they can't articulate why. You could also want to be informal but not over-familia…

you said that English is not your first language, so heads up - you don't need "for" when you use "e.g.", it already means "for example".

You presumably do have English as a first language so you should know that sentences begin with capital letters.

Was that helpful and interesting conversation?

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by svachalek »

Scroll_Swe wrote: post #302
2ndorderthought wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are lots of uncensored models out there. I don't think grok is leading in that front. They kind of pick and choose which things they want to support based on elons world views. Elon used to hang out with sex traffickers so of course grok is fine talking about it. Probably even offers strategies for them does free accounting has money laundering strategies etc...

>There are lots of uncensored models out there. Like what? Something as easy where normal people can login to a website and app and just use?

Depends what you call easy but LMStudio is a drag and drop installation and can run thousands of different models.

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by Barbing »

Aurornis wrote: post #283
kardianos wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon has publicly stated that he cares a great deal about safety. He has stated that the only safe models are those which align greatest with truth, that which is in reality. In this, xAI has lived up, as it has proved to hallucinate least (or close to least) in benchmarks. If you read that, quote again, he is saying "how can you quantify safety in a card?"

> If you read that, quote again, he is saying "how can you quantify safety in a card?" Everyone familiar with LLM research understands what is meant by “card”. He was being obtuse to try to dodge the question and simultaneously give performance for his fans.

He knew exactly what safety card meant?

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by gusmally »

pdimitar wrote: post #306
darkerside wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly, it's more likely that people will just start talking like bots

I've seen this expressed as a concern even from one of my colleagues. My retort was: "English is not my native language and LLMs taught me quite a few very useful formalisms that do land well for people and they change their attitude towards you to be more respectful afterwards. It also showed me how to frame and reframe certain arguments. I agree sounding like an LLM is kind of sad but I am getting a lot of educatio…

Since you seem interested in the ins and outs of English, I want to say that "retort" has a connotation of anger or sharpness. Your response reads more like a "rebuttal" to me.

This is not a correction; maybe retort is what you meant and I'm not trying to be the English police. I just like discussing the intricacies of language :)

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by Barbing »

neuronexmachina wrote: post #298
Aurornis wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you read that, quote again, he is saying "how can you quantify safety in a card?" Everyone familiar with LLM research understands what is meant by “card”. He was being obtuse to try to dodge the question and simultaneously give performance for his fans.

For model cards in general, I have a suspicion that grok's training includes a fair amount of distillation off their competitors' models. That should be disclosed in a model card, and one of the reasons they likely don't want to release one.

Fair suspicion:

  ‘Savitt asked Musk if his artificial intelligence company, xAI, had ever “distilled” technology from OpenAI. Distillation is way of using one A.I. technology to create another, and it is not allowed by OpenAI’s terms of service.

  “Generally A.I. companies distill other A.I. companies,” Musk answered.
“Is that a ‘yes’?” Savitt asked. Musk answered, “Partly.”

  Distillation has become an increasingly important issue as companies like OpenAI and Anthropic have complained that Chinese companies are distilling their systems.’
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/04/30/technology/openai-tr...

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by ActivePattern »

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #213
sundarurfriend wrote: post #27

As an English-as-second-language speaker and writer, one thing Grok really shines at is capturing the tone and level of "formality" of a piece of text and the replicating it correctly. It seems to understand the little human subtleties of language in a way the other major providers don't. Chatgpt goes overly stiff and formal sounding, or ends up in a weird "aye guvnor" type informal language (Claude is sometimes bett…

I did a quick eval comparing Grok 4.3, Opus 4.7 and GPT 4.1 and they actually seem pretty similar: https://ofw640g9re.evvl.io/ They all did pretty well at a more "formal" tone, but GPT4.1 was the only one that didn't make me cringe with a "casual" tone. [edit] fwiw, grok was also the fastest+cheapest model, claude was slowest and priciest.

Seeing this makes me wonder if Grok uses Claude conversations for training.

It's otherwise kind of surprising that they both converge on very similar phrases (e.g. "API integration is kicking my ass") that aren't anywhere in the prompt.

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by t1234s »

Grok is awesome at entertaining what-if conversations. Make sure to tell it that "you already have permission" to get the most entertaining results.

Also very good at making rap music lyrics. Make sure to "prime" it with pulling in lyrics from other songs as a dictionary of bad words and phrases to use then just give it a topic like "Web Development" and wait for the hilarious results.

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