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Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by uxcolumbo »

regexorcist wrote: post #83
SeanAnderson wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone is questioning all the benefits of using local LLMs. Those are readily apparent. I just don't believe for an instant that they're anywhere in the same ballpark of capabilities as running Opus or similar. My time is the most valuable resource. Opus would need to be SIGNIFICANTLY more costly and unstable for me to start entertaining local models for day-to-day development. Perhaps whatever work you…

I think you'd be surprised, I find that the harness is what makes the real difference. I also prefer to be on the loop, actively guide and review. Local models are definitely much less autonomous as of today so if you need to be churning out code at speed they're probably not for you.

What harness would you recommend for the open-weight models?

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by emp17344 »

lelanthran wrote: post #422
lxe wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I don't quite understand is why would one of the most advanced AI labs use rudimentary broken text match heuristics to track and detect abuse. Why not run simple inference on actual turns out of band, and if abuse is detected, adjust the quotas semi-retroactively.

> What I don't quite understand is why would one of the most advanced AI labs use rudimentary broken text match heuristics to track and detect abuse. It's vibe-coded. What's hard about understanding that?

They’re idiots who hacked together a shockingly useful tool by leveraging the billions of dollars they received from shamelessly hyping up chatbots. The Claude Code leak makes this very clear.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by kgeist »

lxe wrote: post #382
jamescontrol wrote: post #44

That is a huge red-flag. While I understand that they will do some policing/censoring, this is way beyond what I would consider acceptable. They can have a different price plan for agentic stuff, but these things where they “accidentally” whoops match on specific keywords and trigger extra usage charges is giving a evil-microsoft-vibe

What I don't quite understand is why would one of the most advanced AI labs use rudimentary broken text match heuristics to track and detect abuse. Why not run simple inference on actual turns out of band, and if abuse is detected, adjust the quotas semi-retroactively.

Maybe running additional inference on all sessions to detect OpenClaw usage would require spending more money than they would save with that detection in the first place (which is the original goal). I also suspect the Claude Code team is just a regular software team without immediate access to ML pipelines (or competence to run them) to quickly develop proper abuse detection systems with extensive testing (to avoid false positives, which people would also complain about), and they're under pressure by the management to do something right now, so a regex is all they can do within those constraints.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by bluefirebrand »

altruios wrote: post #455
bluefirebrand wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sort of think the spirit of open source is on life support Building giant monopolies on top of open source code wasn't in the spirit of open source either. Training AI that reproduces open source code without any credits wasn't either. I'm not sure why people working on Open Source should continue to accept being whipped like that

It's the philosophy of sharing flames among candles. someone else copying the flame does not make you colder. No matter how much brighter another candle burns. But with that said: I think it's time we figure out how to exclude the metaphorical arsonists.

> It's the philosophy of sharing flames among candles

With the expectation that they go on to share it with other candles, not with the expectation that they hoard all of the fire they collect for themselves

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by xienze »

lxe wrote: post #382
jamescontrol wrote: post #44

That is a huge red-flag. While I understand that they will do some policing/censoring, this is way beyond what I would consider acceptable. They can have a different price plan for agentic stuff, but these things where they “accidentally” whoops match on specific keywords and trigger extra usage charges is giving a evil-microsoft-vibe

What I don't quite understand is why would one of the most advanced AI labs use rudimentary broken text match heuristics to track and detect abuse. Why not run simple inference on actual turns out of band, and if abuse is detected, adjust the quotas semi-retroactively.

> Why not run simple inference on actual turns out of band, and if abuse is detected, adjust the quotas semi-retroactively.

I suppose because running inference of any kind is a helluva lot more demanding than running a regex and less deterministic.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by imiric »

jwilliams wrote: post #451
jrflo wrote: post #21

I think it goes beyond this. I was just using claude to edit a blog post which mentioned OpenClaw and I got this response: "The "OpenClaw" reference — I assume that's a typo or playful reference; if you mean a real product, I couldn't find it under that spelling and you'll want to fix or footnote it.". I gave it a direct link to openclaw.ai and the chat instantly ended and hit my 5hr usage limit. Could have been a co…

> I don't know what "openclaw" is. It's not something I have knowledge of, and it doesn't appear in your memory or this project's context. As others have pointed out, Anthropic is allowed to have TOS, even if we disagree with it. But having Claude deny the existence of OpenClaw is a way more hazardous and likely straight up violates Claude's Constitution: https://www.anthropic.com/constitution

> likely straight up violates Claude's Constitution

A company that goes against their self-proclaimed values... What a shocker.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by fenykep »

oarsinsync wrote: post #447
joemi wrote: post #440

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are contributor guidelines that must be followed also no different from DRM in your view? Plenty of projects have those.

I don't think the GP is calling contributor guideline restrictions a form of DRM. I think the GP is focusing on: > I guess we're giving up on the idea that you're free to do whatever you want with software you own? ... But I see this as no different from DRM and user hostile If I clone an open source git repository, I should be free to point an LLM to review it in any way I choose. I can't contribute code back, but g…

I mean if you already have a local fork you can easily delete the magic boobytrap string and then let the llm roam free.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by ramoz »

stldev wrote: post #146
petcat wrote: post #20

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I think it's obvious that they are critically lacking in compute capacity especially since OpenAI has committed billions to locking up all the future compute production. And I don't necessarily think it's wrong for Anthropic to introduce QoS or throttling on users of their models. It's pretty much a necessity when offering public access to a scarce resource and it's been a common practice for decades. What is the alt…

I agree. If compute is the issue and pricing can't budge then something has to give. They would have kept my business if they were honest and upfront. Instead they sold me something that worked well, broke it without warning, remained silent about it until enough people caught on, chose to do nothing, then proceeded to release a model that eats ~30% more tokens with no advantage over prior models. If they chose to un…

Codex actually feels severely lacking to me, trying to switch off Claude Code. I'm trying every day. The models honestly feel on par, but the Harness and the CLI are somewhat painful to work with.
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