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Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by GeekyBear »

nazgu1 wrote: post #456
GeekyBear wrote: post #355

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> Apple been tightening that control over time. For a long time on MacOS X you could simply run apps. Then came notarisation, but you could still disable it. Now, even with a certificate, it still shows a dialog. Notarisation is just proof that the app went through an automated malware scan. Windows, Mac, and Android have all adopted measures intended to warn and attempt to protect users from malware. As far as age v…

You have to pay apple 150$ annually for the pleasure of notarisation, even if you make open-source apps. Yet you cannot distribute apps outside store on mobile (besides in eu, but not really, but is't topic on its own…).

Have you tried pricing an extended validation code signing certificate needed to get around Windows SmartScreen?

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by ltbarcly3 »

elictronic wrote: post #23
ltbarcly3 wrote: post #3

Apple has gone from a company with a long term vision of the future and their part in it to a quarterly financial report gradient climber. This is what happens to every company when it loses it's founder(s). They have enough money and market influence to be a problem for all of us for the next 30 years or so.

Jobs died 15 years ago. So your predicting 45 years after the death of a founder a company loses influence.

If it's large enough.

I'm saying that a functioning company that reaches a certain size can stop being good at what it does and start buying market position and market share.

For example, I don't believe Apple is more efficient at designing processors than most processor companies, I think they have had some luck in that they adopted a strategy for mobile that ended up delivering a CPU with high performance (this is roughly the same story as Intel Core 20 years ago). They are able to deliver a CPU that is at the top but not dramatically faster than their competitors not because they are so 'good at' designing processors, but because they steer a very large percentage of the total CPU R&D budget of the entire world. They can buy anyone who is innovative, and generally that means eliminating them rather than incorporating them.

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Post by freedomben »

stavros wrote: post #362
freedomben wrote: post #357

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Interesting, I would not have expected calling Apple out for their malicious compliance practices would be controversial.

If there's one thing humans manage to do well, it's to make small, random decisions we made in the past an integral part of our identity.

Just wanted to say, with all seriousness, this is one of the most insightful comments I've read in a very long time.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by stavros »

freedomben wrote: post #463
stavros wrote: post #362

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If there's one thing humans manage to do well, it's to make small, random decisions we made in the past an integral part of our identity.

Just wanted to say, with all seriousness, this is one of the most insightful comments I've read in a very long time.

I'm glad you liked my semi-offhand comment! I will now make "HN influencer" part of my identity :P.

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Post by JollySharp0 »

razingeden wrote: post #451
JollySharp0 wrote: post #273

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> The fact that you think American corporation punishing foreign users for their laws is acceptible is sick upon itself. Not really. I was hoping more large US corps would just not comply and force a big kerfuffle and force the UK government to rethink the OSA and other ridiculous legislation.

So far , anyone telling OFCOM where to shove it (think: 4chan) doesn’t have any kind of operations or presence in the UK , is refusing to pay their fines, denies being under their jurisdiction — and doesn’t seem to care if they get blocked by the whole country. I don’t think much of that is true for Apple, even though there isn’t even a so called law they’re even following. They’re just doing the opposite and rolling…

I was hoping someone like Musk (who is temperamental) would tell them to spin on it (I know people here don't like him). Politicians tend to use Twitter, so they would be directly affected.

The benefit of KF and 4chan telling them to stick it, is that it creates a precedent where most sites outside the UK can just ignore them. I think both KF and 4chan are going to the US courts to get the matter decided IIRC they are suing the Ofcom in the US. I've not bothered checking up on the case because the guy that runs KF is massive dick and I don't want to listen to updates from him.

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Post by fsckboy »

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #123
raincole wrote: post #47

> Credit cards are not documents. Many people don’t have them. Apple don’t provide any other way to verify your age because they are a stupid American company with American values in which you’re just as human as your credit score. UK passed age verification law and people still find a way to blame the US.

We need to start calling it identity verification. Because that's what it is, anything that requires you to hand over an ID or credit card. "Age" verification was a wonderful trojan horse that has fooled a lot of people.

there are laws that make sense that are based on age and not identity, so it's more "camel's nose under the tent" than trojan horse

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

soapdog wrote: post #253

Author here, didn't realise this was posted on this site. AMA.

I have used and owned Apple products since 1992.

Absolutely agreed about the gatekeeping — just as example, you cannot even update your MacOS without being online unless you create a full USB Installer.

For your particular situation, presuming your hardware supports it, you can use MrMacintosh guides [0] to downgrade your OS from Tahoe — I recommend the latest Sequoia installer — all officially downloaded via Apple links.

[0] http://www.mrmacintosh.com>

I further recommend blocking *.apple.com & *.icloud.com (and many more hosts) using a PiHole (so simple, so necessary).

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Post by bigyabai »

jmye wrote: post #458
bigyabai wrote: post #432

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> but it's absurd to pretend they're the same thing, today or to "what if" yourself into knots. It's not absurd whatsoever. Apple and Google are oftentimes asked to make the exact same concessions, and in many cases (see: push notification backdoor) they do exactly the same thing: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-... Neither Google nor Apple have any real accountability at play. The same me…

> The "ad business" canard is (and always was) a distraction. Your position is that Google has not and does not differentially acquire data on its users (and non-users) because... Apple has shared some data with the feds? Is that a serious position?

Your position is that Apple meaningfully differentiates itself by copying Google's worst behavior? Lemming logic does not apply, Apple and Google can't blame each other for assenting to warrantless surveillance.

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Post by internet2000 »

queenkjuul wrote: post #437
abirch wrote: post #82

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Most people have forgotten Antennagate or the iPhone 4 fiasco. You're probably correct that people won't remember this in 2028

I hear the phrase "you're holding it wrong" said sarcastically all the time, people remember antennagate

You remember the funny turn of phrase instead of how bad the reception was in your iPhone 4, and how it ruined the experience of owning it. Because it wasn't that big of a deal in the end.

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Post by eimrine »

JollySharp0 wrote: post #217
eimrine wrote: post #157

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They were expected to fight the evil, not to join.

None of these corporations are going to have their CEO / CTO / CFO go to Jail, face the huge fines or get kicked out of the UK for you. 4chan, KiwiFarms etc. can stick a middle finger up at the UK because tbh they probably don't have that many UK users and have nothing there for the British Government to go after, the best they can do is probably nab the owner if they ever land on UK soil.

Apple is too big to get kicked from UK, actually corporations are already having more power than most of the governments.
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