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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by thrance »

Stranger43 wrote: post #93

The reluctance of the EU leadership to so anything materially significant about anything they claim to care about is kind of telling. It's either that the leadership is so caught up in their own ivory tower bubble of pure rhetoric to realize they havent really put in the logistics to actually affect reality or that they somehow don't really want the consequences of actually changing things. For this is pretty clear w…

Creating digital sovereignty requires economic protectionism, which directly contradicts a core value of the European Union: bringing down trade barriers.

> contribute to solidarity and mutual respect among peoples, free and fair trade, eradication of poverty and the protection of human rights [0]

Notably absent from these values are wishes to make the EU more resilient against foreign threats to the global supply chain.

[0] https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-histor...

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by Gloomily3819 »

RobotToaster wrote: post #80
chatmasta wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ICC somehow managed to create an institution even more useless than the UN. The very concept of an International Criminal Court, operating in some idealistic moral space above war and diplomacy, is completely divorced from the reality of realpolitik and total war. If everyone agreed to arbitrate world matters in the ICC, why even have militaries?

If it's so useless, why bother to sanction it?

"If the ant is insignificant, why bother to squish it?"

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by trzy »

embedding-shape wrote: post #218
trzy wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What an absurd argument. If Ukraine falls, the Russians will marshal Ukrainian manpower and resources against the EU.

> What an absurd argument What argument did I even make? Are you saying it's absurd that Russia's border to Ukraine is further away to the closest EU/NATO member than Cuba is to the US? Because if so, I think you need to open up a world map.

The idea that the size of Ukraine and the distance to Russia’s border through Ukraine diminishes the Russian threat. For two reasons:

1. Russia aims to either capture Ukraine outright or exert influence over it, which puts eastern EU states at grave risk. Note that Belarus, a Russian vassal, already borders the EU and was used by the Russians to launch the Ukraine invasion.

2. Russia already borders — and menaces - the EU in the Baltics.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by trzy »

dmix wrote: post #237
trzy wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the pained debate here by Western Europeans over the semantics of “Europe” and Ukraine’s relationship therewith, it’s very unlikely NATO would act and that’s precisely what the Russians would bet on.

Russia's best case scenario atm is they take more of eastern Ukraine and the west establishes a DMZ not far from the current frontlines. Pushing up anywhere close to Lviv/Polish border would be like winning the lottery given their current track record. These sorts of wars are very rare in the modern era. They gambled entirely because they faced an army they were 10x the size and they got embarrassed. There's near zer…

Slowly then suddenly. Movements in the frontline are gradual until one side is exhausted and collapses. With Trump’s ludicrous “peace” plan, Ukraine would be barred access to US weapons, the size of its military restricted, and Russia would simply rearm and try again.

And despite how things have fared in Ukraine thus far, the Baltics are a much softer target. If Ukraine does end up falling to the Russians, it’ll be used as a springboard by the Russians, potentially supported by Ukrainians disillusioned with the West’s betrayal. It would certainly not be the first time that Russia has annexed Ukraine and mobilized its people against Russia’s foes.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by vlovich123 »

joe463369 wrote: post #410
vlovich123 wrote: post #196

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All out war is hell and pretending like civilians get a pass from the wave of destruction is naive. However, one main difference people in this thread seem to forget is that America’s civilian kills were about dealing damage to an enemy country within enemy territory. It’s horrific but the main difference was that Germany mass executed and actively tortured civilians within its own territory. America never did that a…

"Fair enough, we've a long history of lynching black people and killing native americans, but we're not as bad as the Nazis" That's some position to take.

In no way am I excusing the horrible treatment black people and indigenous people have received in the USA. It’s awful and definitely crimes that should have been prosecuted and the failure to do so is a stain on America and the ideals people want it to hold. But noting that it’s qualitatively and quantitatively different from a government organized industrial extermination machine doesn’t seem like something crazy. And pretending like power dynamics aren’t in play in terms of prosecuting Nazis is naive - it’s literally what Nazis said at the Nuremberg trials - it’s a sham trial because it’s just the victors killing the defeated. But it did manage to establish some kind of minimum legal framework even if it’s not as far as we’d have liked. Also important to remember that the US committed abhorrent legitimate war crimes in Vietnam even by Nuremberg standards - but the US is a super power and it’s an unsolved problem about who will hold a superpower (or even a nuclear power) to count for crimes against humanity.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by juliangmp »

layer8 wrote: post #399
vincvinc wrote: post #241

"All his accounts with US companies such as Amazon, Airbnb, or PayPal were immediately closed by the providers. Online bookings, such as through Expedia, are immediately canceled, even if they concern hotels in France." How is this legal / OK?

Companies are generally free to choose who they are doing business with.

They quite literally aren't in this case. They would get fined heavily if they did business with him.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by [deleted] »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #439
SiempreViernes wrote: post #429

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right stealing nukes you cannot immediately operate as a 0-year old nation, to me it doesn't seems like an incredibly bright idea in a world where the existing nuclear states doesn't want anyone else to get nukes too. And in any case it's was not simply removing the safety devices on the weapons, you need to be able to target the ICBMs at Russia, which Ukraine could not do: > In fact, the presence of strategic nuclea…

> stealing nukes you cannot immediately operate as a 0-year old nation Agreed. But nobody was invading Ukraine in 1994. The weapons were seen as a security liability. In reality, they were bargaining chips. > to me it doesn't seems like an incredibly bright idea in a world where the existing nuclear states doesn't want anyone else to get nukes too To be clear, Kyiv made the right decision given what they knew in 1994…

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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by [deleted] »

trzy wrote: post #464
dmix wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia's best case scenario atm is they take more of eastern Ukraine and the west establishes a DMZ not far from the current frontlines. Pushing up anywhere close to Lviv/Polish border would be like winning the lottery given their current track record. These sorts of wars are very rare in the modern era. They gambled entirely because they faced an army they were 10x the size and they got embarrassed. There's near zer…

Slowly then suddenly. Movements in the frontline are gradual until one side is exhausted and collapses. With Trump’s ludicrous “peace” plan, Ukraine would be barred access to US weapons, the size of its military restricted, and Russia would simply rearm and try again. And despite how things have fared in Ukraine thus far, the Baltics are a much softer target. If Ukraine does end up falling to the Russians, it’ll be u…

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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by vkou »

gusfoo wrote: post #333
hn_acker wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US government is not free to use frivolous sanctions to indirectly make payment processors stop serving a foreigner.

> The US government is not free to use frivolous sanctions to indirectly make payment processors stop serving a foreigner. You may regard them as such, but they are not in any sense frivolous. It is the law that if-x-then-y, it's not a discretionary item that one interprets. And to be clear, these are not "indirectly" making payment processors stop serving the person, it is very clearly direct and you do not, as a co…

1. The law in question does not compel the US Government to bend over backwards to protect foreign nationals from prosecution for war crimes.

2. The US Government plays incredibly fast and loose with laws that compel foreign policy from it. If its adherence to them is discretionary, you can absolutely piss on it for being discretionary in this case.

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