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Re: Musk-Trump dispute includes threats to SpaceX contracts

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Yeah I think this is the most logical take. These guys are both masters of dominating attention on social media. It got them to where they are. The way to dominate the national attention in this world we've created, is to act like a child and call someone a pedo. They are not the leaders we wanted, but may be the leaders we deserve.

Well, he did get elected TWICE so, seems deserved enough to me.

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Re: Musk-Trump dispute includes threats to SpaceX contracts

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> There is something in many people that makes them attracted to those who treat them awfully and consider them only slightly above things. It's the slave moral and if you think the majority of people would be better (given the opportunity) you are naive

Like of the Nietzschan philosophy? So in the case of trump the idea is that his voters like him because he’s different from the “evil” aristocratic class that trump claimed to oppose (eg “drain the swamp”)?

> Like of the Nietzschan philosophy?

Yes, but the rest I disagree.

I just think that most people (on both political sides) are not really better. If they would be given the position of power they would be corrupted and incompetent too.

So in a sense you got what you deserve - and your democracy is working.

Re: Musk-Trump dispute includes threats to SpaceX contracts

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The Democratic White House chose to not invite Tesla to their EV Summit. That was not political? The Democratic DoJ and Democrat DAGs prosecuted dozens of former Trump administration officials and Trump allies, and even Trump himself: Trump Administration Officials: Michael Flynn – Former National Security Advisor Stephen K. Bannon – Former White House Chief Strategist & Campaign Advisor Mark Meadows – Former White H…

Because Tesla is anti-union.

So politics, not the merit of the EV company. This was a EV company summit, not a labor unions summit.

Re: Musk-Trump dispute includes threats to SpaceX contracts

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It's wild that a president can say, "I don't like Elon anymore, so out of retaliation, I'm canceling all his government contracts," and ~40% of the country doesn't see that as corruption in any way, shape, or form. Government contracts should not be based on whether or not the president likes the CEO, and the CEO says enough good things about the president. If you can cancel contacts not based on merit, then it shoul…

~40% of the country sees that as strength. Democracies only really work with an educated and altruistic population, and the US is only getting further away from that.

This sounds like an utopian take or a case of "the grass is greener on the other side".

Americans believe that Denmark or Switzerland has an educated and altruistic population. But if you talk to a Dane or a Swiss person about politics, they will laugh and tell you that their country is full of evil and stupid idiots, too.

I am inclined to agree with Acemoglu that good institutions are more important than virtues of the population.

Re: Musk-Trump dispute includes threats to SpaceX contracts

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> "we" are winning and "they" are losing This is a very important rule stated by the War Nerd: 'Most people are not rational, they are TRIBAL: "my gang yay, your gang boo!" It really is that simple. The rest is cosmetics.' A small human group is compatible with this tribal behavior because the bulk of actions (or at worst their effects) are quickly perceptible to everyone. The larger the group, the less each person u…

I don't know wtf War Nerd is, but tribalism being alive and well is nowhere near a new/novel observation worth noting anyone pointed out.

Agree that it is not a novel observation, but it is worth noting here. The discussion would be less ridiculous if there were less tribalism.

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Obviously. All riots are technically insurrections. They're synonyms. And they are usually protests too; it'd be unusual to have a riot while agreeing with the current direction of the government.

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Re: Musk-Trump dispute includes threats to SpaceX contracts

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It's wild that a president can say, "I don't like Elon anymore, so out of retaliation, I'm canceling all his government contracts," and ~40% of the country doesn't see that as corruption in any way, shape, or form. Government contracts should not be based on whether or not the president likes the CEO, and the CEO says enough good things about the president. If you can cancel contacts not based on merit, then it shoul…

It is also interesting, that many people here somehow have no issues with trump cancelling federal contracts with Harvard, prohibiting student visas for harvard, firing entire sections of NSF, NIH, NOAA, but when it comes to contracts with spacex, they react.

"Not commenting" does not necessarily translate into "having no issues".

Too much stuff is happening, not everyone comments on everything, and frankly your comment is only helpful to the administration by dividing its opponents.

If you want to see any efficient pushback at all, don't apply purity litmus tests to your potential allies.

Re: Musk-Trump dispute includes threats to SpaceX contracts

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I used to love this pithy quote but reflecting on it more recently this doesn't seem like something limited to fascists or fascism. Indeed, this kind of thinking is used by those of any political leaning when ideology becomes more important than principles. An obvious example is the USSR.

Authoritarianism is the umbrella term describing the behaviour of both fascist states and various others. AFAIK all fascist states have been authoritarian - but it’s a common outcome anytime the people running the government are replaced en masse.

The tyranny of the majority is another, often overlooked form of authoritarianism.

Re: Musk-Trump dispute includes threats to SpaceX contracts

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There's plenty of threads about all of those issues here on Hacker News - why do you think the people reacting to SpaceX didn't also react to the rest?

Some people do react to all, but the parent comment that I commented on just mentioned the spacex situation, like it's something new, while this is just the continuation of what's be going on for months. And I've certainly seen people on HN trying to defend grant cancellations, Harvard attacks, NSF firings etc. I obviously can't be sure what those people's opinions are on the spacex threats, but I conjecture , that m…

Cancelling contracts out of spite or for revenge without due process is wrong in all cases. Including SpaceX. Though I have to say it’s entertaining to see Musk’s own companies be effectively DOGE’d.

Re: Musk-Trump dispute includes threats to SpaceX contracts

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There's plenty of threads about all of those issues here on Hacker News - why do you think the people reacting to SpaceX didn't also react to the rest?

Some people do react to all, but the parent comment that I commented on just mentioned the spacex situation, like it's something new, while this is just the continuation of what's be going on for months. And I've certainly seen people on HN trying to defend grant cancellations, Harvard attacks, NSF firings etc. I obviously can't be sure what those people's opinions are on the spacex threats, but I conjecture , that m…

"I obviously can't be sure what those people's opinions are on the spacex threats, but I conjecture, that many of them don't like them"

Your original comment didn't mention that you were conjecturing anything, you just stated your conjecture as an observation or a fact.

Less charitably, this is called building a straw man.

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