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Post by tonymet »

timmytokyo wrote: post #358
arresin wrote: post #295

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Hey it’s ok to be confused. This week we stop hating musk (but trump is still a baddie). You’re allowed to make comments like this where you express joy at watching his suffering: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44196058 . but only for another week. In 20 days musk will be a goodie and then you mustn’t at all say anything negative at all about him. He’s a goodie. Again, trump is a baddie (baddie status began in…

Hot take: they're both baddies, and they always will be.

Was he when he was saving the world from climate change? Was trump a baddie when he was a B-tier celeb on Apprentice?

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Post by pengaru »

natmaka wrote: post #379
pessimist wrote: post #153

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It turns out that when elections are fought on the basis of identity (race, religion) etc corruption is actually considered a benefit! This is because the loyalists interpret this as "we" are winning and "they" are losing. I witnessed this up close in India where parties openly exist to benefit certain constituencies based on caste, language, religion and so on. It is horrifying to see this attitude take root in my a…

> "we" are winning and "they" are losing This is a very important rule stated by the War Nerd: 'Most people are not rational, they are TRIBAL: "my gang yay, your gang boo!" It really is that simple. The rest is cosmetics.' A small human group is compatible with this tribal behavior because the bulk of actions (or at worst their effects) are quickly perceptible to everyone. The larger the group, the less each person u…

I don't know wtf War Nerd is, but tribalism being alive and well is nowhere near a new/novel observation worth noting anyone pointed out.

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Post by TiredOfLife »

BirAdam wrote: post #24

So, the government would do what, lean on Russia with whom the USA is currently engaged in a proxy war? Also, for Boeing or Blue Origin, the cost would currently be higher per launch, and as far as I know, no one has the kind of satellite network that SpaceX does. Of course, those are sane considerations. I suppose I shouldn’t accuse the Donald of any kind of rational thinking.

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Post by energy123 »

bobxmax wrote: post #271
xnx wrote: post #260

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Obama 2012: "There are no red states or blue states, just the United States." You may dismiss that as just words, but the modern right does not even attempt to speak in those terms.

Does the modern left?

What about the Harris-Walz campaign? There was no identity politics, it was a message of national unity and civic nationalism.

Re: Musk-Trump dispute includes threats to SpaceX contracts

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Post by energy123 »

bgwalter wrote: post #45

There is so much theater and reality TV in the Trump administration that it's hard to conclude anything. Most of the theater is there to play to his MAGA base. First there was the (staged?) row with Zelensky. A couple of months later nothing has really changed. Now Musk left as planned (he couldn't stay longer than 130 days in that position). Time for another public row to show that Trump is tough on subsidies for el…

This is so farfetched and I find it absolutely bizarre that anyone can have a worldview where they think this level of conspiracy is the most likely explanation for any of these things. It runs contrary to the point of a conspiracy which is to do things that benefit you. Being called a pedophile and splitting your base is not to your benefit.

Even if it was to his benefit to get called a pedophile, there still would be no reason to assume 4D-chess genius. The malignant narcissist and drug explanation is right there. The long track record of infighting and interpersonal fallouts is right there. The track record of falsely calling people pedophiles is also right there.

But for some reason we must discard all reason and conclude that Trump and Musk are conspiring.

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Post by paulryanrogers »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #370
paulryanrogers wrote: post #217

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IME Trump supporters will justify anything he does or may plausibly have done. They're too invested in him or have bought into the idea that the other must be so much worse. Elon stans seem to have a similar mindset. Getting folks to think critically about Elon's actions would require an Epstein video of Trump engaging in SA with a clearly underage child. Likely only if coming out of police evidence lockers sealed be…

This is also a left smear. Many conservatives have expressed dissatisfaction with this bill that is the focus of all this. It’s not true what you are saying. It’s not true that those that voted for him agree and justify everything. Regardless of what you may think of Covid response, many conservatives expressed disagreement with him on that as well. It is not as if supporters will deny all but a clear video tape of s…

Trump has a reputation for walking in on women and teens in the dressing areas at his pageants. At least one of Epstein's GFs said Trump assaulted her. Epstein said he was Trump's closest friend.

It's very possible the Epstein files do have (or used to have) damning evidence. Though IME folks who call themselves MAGA are unlikely to take any evidence seriously.

Trump himself has said he believes he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and get away with it.

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Post by roenxi »

wyre wrote: post #356
Dig1t wrote: post #348

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If it’s not an insurrection what it is? What is the organization of thousands of individuals to invade the capital building in protest of election results? Just because it failed, doesn’t mean it wasn’t an insurrection.

Words like "protest" or "riot" leap to mind. It is more comparable to something like CHAZ in 2020 which could technically be called an insurrection or rebellion, but realistically was more of an unruly protest.

An insurrection would traditionally involve a little planning and a little more seriousness in the attempt. Maybe a plan that could conceivably lead to a change in government.

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Post by _heimdall »

wat10000 wrote: post #338
_heimdall wrote: post #325

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They’re different orders of magnitude. Biden was elected legitimately. Parties can nominate whoever they want, so shenanigans with primaries, while distasteful, are completely legitimate. Likewise, keeping Biden’s mental state from the public is ugly but legitimate. Voters can, and did, punish these actions. Trump tried to cheat his way to keeping power. Even if you don’t blame him for the violent attempt, it’s well…

Do you not believe Trump was elected legitimately? I totally understand and share many of the concerns over the insurrection and what happened around it, but Trump didn't take office in 2020 and wasn't reelected until 2024.

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Post by _heimdall »

wat10000 wrote: post #340
wrs wrote: post #323

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As with so many other things the executive branch is doing right now, it doesn’t have exclusive power to do this. Congress sets the rules for how procurement works.

It’s not supposed to. It sure looks like it does. Power is more than what the written rules say you can do.

I think you're getting to the distinction between power and authority. Congress may have the authority to decide procurement (I'm not 100% sure on this, going with the discussion), but functionally the president may have the power to force their will through the system.

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Post by Winsaucerer »

ryandrake wrote: post #164
abxyz wrote: post #48

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Musk is popular amongst republicans because Trump has championed him. The pro-Musk Republicans are also pro-Trump republicans and their loyalty to Trump will beat out whatever respect they have for Musk. Musk is not a threat to Trump, because Trump’s entire platform is built on Trump-or-bust. Musk was a useful idiot to Trump. Musk thinking that Trump’s Epstein connection was somehow going to hurt Trump shows just how…

It's really that simple. If you want to know what MAGA supporters believe about any topic, just look up what Trump last said about it. He could change his mind three times in a single day, and they would also change their mind (and talking points) in lock step three times.

Some people really do act like that, in my limited experience. Trump's opinion changes and lo and behold their beliefs have updated to the same view as Trump's.
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