How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack • Hacker News Board

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by justanotheratom » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 4:19 AM UTC

knowaveragejoe wrote: post #411

skoopie wrote: post #336

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They cut and pasted answers from a different question so that it sounded less like her usual word salad non-answers. No biggie.

Source?

let me paste the source for the fifth time in this conversation:

If you ask Grok, it will point you to the source. But let me do that for you below.

Original Transcript: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/2v8g39z2ab1jo0waj6tn4/AJhMeQd...

MR. BILL WHITAKER: And yet Prime Minister Netanyahu seems to be charting his own course. The Biden-Harris Administration has pressed him to agree to a ceasefire, he's resisted. You urged him not to go into Lebanon, he went in anyway. Does the U.S. have no sway over Prime Minister Netanyahu? VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: The aid that we have given Israel allowed Israel to defend itself against 200 ballistic missiles that were just meant to attack the Israelis, and the people of Israel. And when we think about the threat that Hamas, Hezbollah presents Iran, I think that it is without any question our imperative to do what we can to allow Israel to defend itself against those kinds of attacks. Now, the work that we do diplomatically with the leadership of Israel is an ongoing pursuit around making clear our principles, which include the need for humanitarian aid, the need for this war to end, the need for a deal to be done which would release the hostages, and create a ceasefire. And we're not going to stop in terms of putting that pressure on Israel, and in the region, including Arab leaders.

Edited Transcript: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/2v8g39z2ab1jo0waj6tn4/AJhMeQd...

MR. BILL WHITAKER: And yet Prime Minister Netanyahu seems to be charting his own course. The Biden-Harris Administration has pressed him to agree to a ceasefire, he's resisted. You urged him not to go into Lebanon, he went in anyway. Does the U.S. have no sway over Prime Minister Netanyahu? VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: The work that we do diplomatically with the leadership of Israel is an ongoing pursuit around making clear our principles.

PS: The above transcripts were linked from CBS site: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-publishes-transcript...

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by sitkack » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 4:20 AM UTC

justanotheratom wrote: post #384

sitkack wrote: post #374

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Using an LLM built and controlled by Musk is only evidence of your ineptitude.

If you ask Grok, it will point you to the source. But let me do that for you below. Original Transcript: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/2v8g39z2ab1jo0waj6tn4/AJhMeQd... MR. BILL WHITAKER: And yet Prime Minister Netanyahu seems to be charting his own course. The Biden-Harris Administration has pressed him to agree to a ceasefire, he's resisted. You urged him not to go into Lebanon, he went in anyway. Does the U.S. hav…

Those links are the same.

How do either of those help or hurt Trump?

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by michaelmrose » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 4:20 AM UTC

pmarreck wrote: post #195

smallmancontrov wrote: post #187

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The "nothing ever changes" heuristic fails catastrophically on occasion. It's better to be prepared.

Yes. I'm well-aware of the analogy of the slowly boiled frog, etc. But it's also the slippery-slope fallacy, so... Why are we assuming facts here before we know of them? She is a Turkish national on a student visa. Those folks do NOT (like it or not) have the same rights as citizens. You cannot, for example, support (not saying she's done this, just saying this is the law) an organization designated as an FTO, as a "…

If there were notable cause for their actions they should shout them from the roof tops and please define support? She even as a green card holder can lawfully support verbally or in writing anyone she chooses.

All the ways such support would be unlawful would be unlawful for citizens as well. That said we know that the support she has given is writing against the gazan genocide. If they had better cause they would have already spoken them.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by justanotheratom » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 4:20 AM UTC

lostdog wrote: post #427

justanotheratom wrote: post #381

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If you ask Grok, it will point you to the source. But let me do that for you below. Original Transcript: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/2v8g39z2ab1jo0waj6tn4/AJhMeQd... MR. BILL WHITAKER: And yet Prime Minister Netanyahu seems to be charting his own course. The Biden-Harris Administration has pressed him to agree to a ceasefire, he's resisted. You urged him not to go into Lebanon, he went in anyway. Does the U.S. hav…

Is there anything meaningful here? Like is there some kind of edit that matters? Could you try making your point directly? You seem to be expecting me to have the video memorized or something so I can pick out the difference from the transcript.

try using an LLM then.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by least » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 4:20 AM UTC

_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #287

echelon wrote: post #255

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The current administration does not support free speech for everyone. It's actively punishing free speech. You're right -- many people who claim to support free speech really mean they favor "free speech for me, not for thee." And typically these people want to be able to say controversial things without consequence. But how people respond to speech is orthogonal to whether or not we are allowed to exercise our right…

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

The Paradox of tolerance almost never means what the person invoking it as a rebuttal to free speech thinks it means. It's not some moral axiom that demands action to shut down problematic speech whenever it happens. It's a concept that has varied views on to what extent should tolerance of intolerance be extended and to what response is appropriate when it extends beyonds that threshold.

The most frequently quoted text I've seen is Karl Popper's writing, where he states that we must reserve the right to suppress intolerant philosophies, not that we should always suppress them.

Now, some people might have the opinion that we should be completely intolerant to intolerance and that might be a defendable position in its own right, but the paradox of tolerance is not intrinsically condoning that sort of response.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by ks2048 » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 4:21 AM UTC

al_borland wrote: post #360

esalman wrote: post #184

It started with the Free Palestine protesters. Tesla protesters are next. Citizens will be shipped to El Salvador, non-citizens to where they came from.

What many of them are doing isn’t a legally protected form of protesting. Free Palestine protesters have been shutting down roads with their protests, this is illegal. Tesla protesters are vandalizing the vehicles of private citizens and burning down dealerships. This is also illegal, and due to its political goals, it seems to fit the textbook definition of terrorism. > the calculated use of violence (or the threat…

> Free Palestine protesters have been shutting down roads with their protests, this is illegal.

If someone does something illegal, they can be charged with a crime and the legal process (access to a lawyer, courts, etc). It's not complicated and should not have any exceptions.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by OccamsMirror » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 4:21 AM UTC

luhsprwhk wrote: post #377

starchild3001 wrote: post #306

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I'd think peace after WWII lasted for 77 years (between 1945-2022 until the ukraine war broke out which appears to be the beginning of a new hot war).

I'd say war became hot again way back when with Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Korea. Proxy wars but wars nonetheless. A major war? Perhaps 2022 was the start of it like you said, that tracks. Hopefully not though.

I guess it depends how Europe responds to Greenland being invaded.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by YeahThisIsMe » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 4:21 AM UTC

kopirgan wrote: post #410

sapphicsnail wrote: post #313

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I have yet to see a free speech absolutist express concern about the government and media suppressing Gaza protestors or LGBTQ books being banned or anything else that affects the left. Doesn't seem very principled to me.

Wasn't it the other way around for way too long and still is in places like UK, Germany?!

Can you explain what that's supposed to mean and provide some examples?

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by sigmar » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 4:22 AM UTC

justanotheratom wrote: post #384

sitkack wrote: post #374

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Using an LLM built and controlled by Musk is only evidence of your ineptitude.

If you ask Grok, it will point you to the source. But let me do that for you below. Original Transcript: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/2v8g39z2ab1jo0waj6tn4/AJhMeQd... MR. BILL WHITAKER: And yet Prime Minister Netanyahu seems to be charting his own course. The Biden-Harris Administration has pressed him to agree to a ceasefire, he's resisted. You urged him not to go into Lebanon, he went in anyway. Does the U.S. hav…

I don't understand how you think this is a smoking gun? He mentioned military aid in the part you cut out of your quote of the transcript. She responded to that by characterizing the military aid and why it was necessary, but they cut out her response to the mention of military aid because they wanted a response to only the second part of Whitaker's statement (ie the "no sway" part). Seems reasonable for a TV interview that needs to fit a tight schedule, no?

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by croes » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 4:22 AM UTC

milesrout wrote: post #405

sapphicsnail wrote: post #313

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I have yet to see a free speech absolutist express concern about the government and media suppressing Gaza protestors or LGBTQ books being banned or anything else that affects the left. Doesn't seem very principled to me.

Nobody is banning books. Removing inappropriate material from school libraries isn't book banning. Have you seen some of the books that are being removed? That books with graphic depictions of aren't appropriate for children is a view perfectly compatible with strong support for freedom of expression.

Inappropriate by whom?

Do you have a list of those books so I can check if I see the same kind of inappropriateness?